Posts by TTATTelder

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Florida' s Gold Coast-- Latest WatchTower REAL ESTATE

by rip van winkle in

http://gotoby.com/news/article/2245/watchtower-buys-former-faa-training-facility-in-palm-coast-for-$7025000.

watchtower buys former faa training facility in palm coast for $7,025,000the facility was owned by embry riddle and had been leased to the faa.

watchtower plans to use the facility in much the same manner as did the faa.by toby tobinadd a comment palm coast, fl june 30, 2014 watchtower, an entity ofjehovahs witnesses, purchased the former faa training facility in palm coast from embry riddle aeronautical university for $7,025,000.

TTATTelder

What happened to building all those kingdom halls?

I thought that's why everybody had to pledge money.

-TE

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Kate Wild

by quellycatface in

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friends

i've been given permission to post news of our friend.. kate hasn't been very well.

not well at all.

i think much of it has been a delayed reaction to her df'ing, the general fallout when leaving the wtbs and family issues.. i just wanted to give you guys the heads up and give you a chance to show how much we care about her.. thanks for listening..

TTATTelder

Lots of love Kate

remember it's ok to ask for help

TE

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Need To Upgrade Captives of a Concept?

by Cameron_Don in

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captives of a concept is based on the governing bodys pre-2012 interpretation of the most important scripture in their theology matthew 24:45-47. the book shows that when that interpretation is compared to the organizations history that relates to it, it becomes evident that the watchtower society has never been gods organization.

see chapter 3. their old interpretation was that the society had been so faithful and discreet about what they had provided in the way of spiritual food at the proper time that jesus appointed rutherford and his associates over all his belongings in 1919. therefore the society has been gods organization ever since.. their new interpretation is that the society had been so faithful and discreet about what they had provided in the way of spiritual food at the proper time that he appointed rutherford and his associates over his domistics in 1919. and therefore the society has been gods organization ever since.. notice that it doesnt make any difference which interpretation is used.

in order to qualify for the belongings appointment in verse 47 or the domestics appointment in verse47 the society had to have been faithful and discreet about what russell and rutherford had provided in the way of spiritual food at the proper time down till 1919.. but as captives of a concept clearly shows, they had not been either faithful or discreet which is why raymond franz expressed it this way.... it would be an insult to christ jesus to say that he (appointed) the society (over his belongings or domestics) on the basis of what it had been teaching as of 1919.. and so even though captives of a concept focuses on the pre-2012 interpretation and the belongings appointment in verse 47, what it says also applies to the post-2012 interpretation and the domestics appointment in verse 45.. and therefore the conclusion of either interpretation remains the same.

TTATTelder

ditto Vidiot

-TE

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The new phonograph

by Pistoff in

way back in 20's or 30's, (someone correct me if i have the time frame wrong), the wt's strategy for witnessing was to give each publisher (or have them buy one) a phonograph to set on the householder's steps so they could play one of the judge's speeches.. flash forward and there was a testimony card that publishers handed to the householder, introducing them.. this gave way to the current model of the publisher being informed and able to discuss a subject with the householder.. .

that seems to be giving way to the new approach being used by the wt: the website.. the wt realizes that slick content is more impressive that a publisher talking, one who can't or won't keep up with the insane doctrinal changes.. publishing books and magazines is taking the back seat; the wt and awake have less than half the content they used to, and are published half as often.. the wt's trolley cart method involves not getting into discussions with people, but using an ipad to play them a video.. .

the past is the future!.

TTATTelder

Absolutely...the ipad is the new phonograph.

People were using a video (talked about at the convention) just this week in the door to door work with their ipad.

Supposedly, a couple of studies were started.

It has to be more effective than the dubs asking stupid questions and faking conversation, but it has a very cultish.

-TE

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What would be your favorite job if you could do anything.?

by new hope and happiness in

on the basis that most of us realise the w.t wasnt really the best " job" or way to spend our days, it would be fun to find out what people would really have liked to have done with there lifes and if this is still possible.

or maybe its not even a very realistic ambition just a dream.

in my dreams i stay at home all day and make a living from being a professional artist.maybe i need a phycholgist?.

TTATTelder

Day trading psychologist author. How's that ?

-TE

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How to plant the seed and create some serious cognitive dissonance??

by Bells in

hey :).

for a while, i've sort of been wondering why i always check in with this board... i mean it's filled with great people of course - and is my only link to what's happening in the jw world, but i shouldn't care that much... i'm not a jw, neither is my husband - it's only his batshit crazy family who are and it shouldn't bother me that much.. however it does interfere with my life and when i'm around them, they do somehow manage to make me feel like crap.

i think it's all mad and they are most definitely stuck in a cult, however my husband - who grew up as a jw just sort of shrugs his shoulders and is a bit 'it is what it is' - it doesn't seem to offend him as much as it does me.... every time that i hear about a new change or scandal on here, i think 'surely this will be what wakes them up'!

TTATTelder

I don't have much experience yet with trying to wake people up, but I have enough to know most don't want to be awakened.

It is their worldview, hope for the future, and get-out-of-jail-free card all rolled into one. For some it's their hobby and passion as well.

It is way more complex than just an argument to be won.

Most people must come to realize it on their own somehow.

I started opening my mind after noticing some things on my own in the organization and then slowly opening up to more info on the internet.

Jwfacts.com was huge. Jwstruggle videos on YouTube were big. Specifically the topics that really got me were:

1) Light getting brighter scripture taken in context

2) faithful and discreet slave scripture actually looked at in context and analyzed

3) the mind control cultish techniques used in the watchtower like loaded language and thought stopping phrases

4) flip flops and ridiculous doctrine changes out of desperation and nothing close to divine inspiration

5) 1914 and even more so 1919

It is a hell of a process and a slow one that demands patience on our part.

-TE

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My logic and emotions are in a turmoil. Need specific help please

by stuckinarut2 in

i am still in, and as my name says "stuckinarut"...now i know it is not the truth, i know it for a fact...but im so messed up with a wash of hundreds of thoughts that i cant seem to get my head in order.. i thought i had my head clear and my 'sh1t together' so to speak....but ..... im sure you know what i mean?

when there are so many reasons and facts proving ttatt, but if asked to make a list in bullet points now, i would get so overwhelmed....i just dont know where to start.

i feel like i would be like a balloon let go flying around the room in all directions trying to 'spew' out the facts!.

TTATTelder

What stands out to me is the blatant use of mind control techniques in their writings.

Loaded language everywhere, thought-stopping at every turn, and absurd leaps of logic.

Questioning and debate are not allowed.

None of this would be necessary if you actually had eternal truth as they claim.

-TE

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What words has the WT redefined?

by Splash in

these days, virtually every public talk speaker thinks it's interesting and intellectual to include a dictionary definition of some word.

often the word is in common use and needs no explanation, such as 'exercise', or 'knowledge', or whatever.. now contrast that to all of the words that the wt has it's own meaning for, and referencing a dictionary for the common understanding of it would be viewed unfavourably.. words like 'generation' or 'men' (as in jesus is mediator between god and 'men' - 1tim 2:5-6).. what words have the wt redefined that you know about?

- i'd like to compile a list if possible.. splash.

TTATTelder

"New Light" = neither new nor light - ADCMS

LOL. Love it.

I will add this:

New Truths - neither new nor truths

Old Truths - WTH ???

-TE

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New video release at district convention. Do Jws live like this?

by solomon in

i just got back from the district convention and watched the new video.

can't remember what it is called but the main family live in a million dollar home and there teenage daughter drives a red convertable sports car.

probably worth about 50000$.

TTATTelder

I haven't seen the video yet. It seems, though, that the WT has been sending mixed signals for awhile.

Praise will always be given to the sacrificial lambs. Special titles, special meetings, put on a pedestal at assemblies, etc. That of course is in the WT's best interests. They want these "givers" to keep on giving. Free salespeople and laborers.

OTOH, they are also sending the message that they aren't exactly going to ostracize the money folks. Actually they are whispering "It's ok, we need you too."

I picked up on that a few years ago and privately adjusted my stance. That was before I even learned TTATT. The added benefits to this "balanced" approach (besides having more money) was - personally being less judgemental, less self-righteous, and interestingly less black-balled by men in the congregation that thought I was trying to out do them "spiritually".

LOL... What a nutball organization.

-TE

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EVEN IF THE RESPONSE WASNT GREAT.....

by DATA-DOG in

... you felt what you did was great.

ahh yes.

preaching in foreign lands....in english.

TTATTelder

The WT is still riding the interest that still exists in "America" in less developed countries.

These people find it intriguing when English-speaking Americans come to their door.

Many assume these people are wealthy. Some are. So you can see the underlying appeal to an impoverished household in a poorer nation.

It brings in huge field service stats. The WT brags about these stats of course. The number that stick and actually get baptised are far far far less than the number that study.

But hey...bored dubs get to do something way cooler than marching around empty suburban neighborhoods in the US, the natives get an interesting experience with crazy, clean-cut, possibly wealthy, Americans visiting them and teaching them English and American customs, and the WT gets to keep people busy and get glowing reports of activity and interest!

win win win

The whole thing works with Canadians and others from English speaking countries as well.

-TE