Posts by TTATTelder

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JW.org Propaganda video " The Best Life Ever" PUKE WARNING

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8wmz3nvlek.

TTATTelder

That's a straight up commercial.

It is fun to go abroad and see other cultures, and I have personally seen how some cultures are very curious about the bible which makes field service a very different experience for these jdubs. (of course they would stop and listen to any westerner approaching them most likely and certainly to any bible message)

Kind of embarrassing though to have to return to the local village and explain how what you told them last month is completely bogus now. It seems that "new light' has come out on the other side of the world. lol

Oh if it were only as simple as a 3 min video with musical backtracks...

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The Battle of Armageddon LOL.

by transhuman68 in

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i was looking through a watchtower publication that i bought recently, and found this quote about children & armageddon:.

our theme "rearing children in divine favor" does not refer to the rearing of the children of armageddon survivors in that new world when all surrounding conditions and all forces in operation will be toward helping those who live to do righteousness.

no; but it refers to rearing children who are born now before the battle of armageddon.

TTATTelder

I remember the 1986 "International Year of Peace' and how that was supposed to be the filfillment of the prophecy at 1 Thess 5:3. - "Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them"

I remember there was some specific day that year where the proclamation was official - I don't know if it was when the world leaders came together to pray or what, but I was scared to go to sleep that night.

What made it worse was when I woke up the next morning, I jumped up to check if everyone in my family was alive. My dad was sleeping in a weird way where it looked like he had grasped his chest or something. I thought he might be dead, so i woke him just to be sure.

Sounds silly now, but what a great traumatic childhood memory from my stupid ass religion.

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Anybody have experience selling on Ebay or Amazon?

by EndofMysteries in

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there are a few collectibles i am wanting to sell.

my concern is that if i accept payment w/ credit card, etc, that i ship the item and they either open it (destroying the value), or just lie about not getting it, or any other thing to cause ebay/amazon to chargeback.

i was wondering if anybody sells on them is there a protection for sellers and how often does that type of thing happen?

TTATTelder

Mostly use common sense and you will be fine.

It is best to have some dialogue with the buyer to feel them out a bit. If something seems fishy it usually is.

Also from experience paypal is pretty tight with their customers. A person with a good standing with paypal is almost always legit.

I have sold thousands of items through amazon, ebay, and websites.

I am in the U.S. Very few problems overall.

Largest percent of problems were with out-of-the-country purchases either directly or through freight forwarders.

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Critical Differences: JW's Today Vs The Past

by metatron in

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jehovah's witnesses have always been a fringe, anti-intellectual movement, almost by definition.

there is nothing new about faddish health concerns, attitudes that ignore history and science or even beliefs that defy common sense ( false prophecy for what, 130+ years?).

however, there are two differences with jw's of the past that will prove critical for the survival of the organization today.. 1) poor financial conditions - in the past, it was possible to hold all sorts of nonsensical beliefs and still be a functional member of the human race, generally.

TTATTelder

I wonder which direction they will take when numbers begin to fall.

They could say "we are being refined...you are the chosen few" (said with echoing God-like voice).

Or they could just cook the books. I wonder how long they could cook the numbers and keep people thinking there is "growth".

I would say for quite a few years.

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What is "The Truth"?

by EndofMysteries in

to jw's if you think about it, this is what "the truth" is..... .

"the truth" is that you must be in 'the truth' and spend every waking moment you have getting others in 'the truth'.

anything the governing body says to do is 'the truth'.

TTATTelder

"During harvest season, the weeds are destroyed and the wheat is gathered." "That harvest season began in 1914." "After 1914, the angels began to “collect” weed like Christians by separating them from the anointed “sons of the kingdom.” The angels “will pitch them into the fiery furnace. > "That means complete destruction." "those former adherents of false religious organizations will be destroyed during the final part of the great tiribulation" "Jesus judged them to be true Christian wheat - buthe rejected all imitation Christians, including all of those found within the churches of Christendom."

What's crazy to me is - they explain all this complicated seperating/choosing/gathering work beginning a century ago that would concern an entire generation of people that are now dead.

They are dead!! Obviously not very important to any everlasting kingdom purposes.

They seem to forget their own interpretation of Rom 6:7 - "For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin."

So these dead folks - seperated/labeled/gathered/whatever - now have a clean slate before God because they paid the ultimate price. So none of this blather matters a hill of beans!

Idiots. Making up crap as they go. They better forbid education. It's the only way they will ever sell this crap.

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Critical Differences: JW's Today Vs The Past

by metatron in

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friends

jehovah's witnesses have always been a fringe, anti-intellectual movement, almost by definition.

there is nothing new about faddish health concerns, attitudes that ignore history and science or even beliefs that defy common sense ( false prophecy for what, 130+ years?).

however, there are two differences with jw's of the past that will prove critical for the survival of the organization today.. 1) poor financial conditions - in the past, it was possible to hold all sorts of nonsensical beliefs and still be a functional member of the human race, generally.

TTATTelder

I agree wholeheartedly. The org attracts the lower rung individual that need a community.

I have been shocked at how much money is a constant issue in our hall.

Some poor (no money) friends go out in service all the time. They don't work so have plenty of free time, but they also only have transportation good enough to get to the hall.

The publishers or pioneers with decent means and/or transportation are then obligated to cart these rejects around for free. (don't expect any gas money).

There's nothing going in the contribution box from these types - you can bet on it.

The org has painted themselves into a corner. They sacrificed people of financial means to keep an uneducated throng under their control.

Even with that said, it's shocking to me that they are still doing all these downsizing measures after raking in a cool billion off of real estate. The financial problems must be much bigger than I realize. Either that or this current GB is paranoid about preserving their gravy train till they die.

Intellectual honesty demands acknowledging that financial problems do not equal God's blessing.

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Letter to Governing Body .Recorded conversations with Elders

by Watchtower-Free in

i found this on youtube...very good example of twisted reasoning by elders.. .

recorded conversations with elders by a former pioneer....a series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw8amuphqis.

TTATTelder

really good stuff - worth a listen

the accused brother really keeps his head and, in a respectful way, makes the brothers and the organization look absolutey laughable.

Elders should just say - "the governing body demands conformity - are you in or out?" When they try to go down this long road of predictable scriptures in a meager attempt to justify it all, it just becomes an embarrassing mess.

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Critical Thinking from the Wife !!

by TTATTelder in

the other day i had a couple of drinks and went off on the gb (again), about how they are just posturing and have no clue.

i said if they knew what they were talking about we would already be in the new world, but we're not ..so they dont...the end.. well i got some push back as would be expected, but what surprised me was what she said a little later.

firstly she didn't pay attention to the public talk this past sunday and instead read an article in a watchtower on stress.

TTATTelder

Ask her why skunks have smells, turtles have shells, porcupines have quills, and snakes have venom? - Comatose

Good points.

Why would God make animals with poisonous venom that can kill other animals and even humans if the original intent was to be in a peaceful vegetarian paradise?

Fairy tales don't explain it, that's for sure.

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Pondering Noah account

by problemaddict in

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i see my wife being pulled into the org a little again, by some good people and kindness.

she grew up a very happy jw, and to leave is very hard for her.

but she has opened the pandoras box of her brain and can't shut it.. we were discussing blood a couple days ago.

TTATTelder

There are so many holes in that story it's mind-boggling it is believed by anybody.

Good point though.

I guess the logic went something like this:

"Since we have the only initial stock for all animals of the planet.... LET'S HAVE A BBQ!!!!!!!

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Critical Thinking from the Wife !!

by TTATTelder in

the other day i had a couple of drinks and went off on the gb (again), about how they are just posturing and have no clue.

i said if they knew what they were talking about we would already be in the new world, but we're not ..so they dont...the end.. well i got some push back as would be expected, but what surprised me was what she said a little later.

firstly she didn't pay attention to the public talk this past sunday and instead read an article in a watchtower on stress.

TTATTelder

Wow Villagegirl ... sorry for your past abuse from men.

We aren't all like that.

My comments in the OP weren't from being surprised my wife's comments came from a woman (that feels stupid even typing that) but because they were critical and completely free of my influence.

Everyone else got it.

Its a good thing. .... Looking forward to future observations from her.

I agree with BU2B all the way.

Thanks for the comments everybody.