Posts by Aroq

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Lurkers: Is it true that no servant of Jehovah in the bible celebrated birthdays?

by juandefiero in

did you know that job's family celebrated birthdays?

the word translated "his own day" at job 1:4 is the same word translated "day of his birth" in job 3:1. .

seems deceptive, does it not, to change that translation.

Aroq

John's birth was met with rejoicing Luke 1:58

Issac/Abraham Genesis 21:8. It was custom for children to be weened on their 3rd birthday, and Abraham provided a great feast on that day. Please research this for yourself as far as weening goes.

There are more, but the real question is what is the WT reasoning on not celebrating birthdays? Wasn't it because Herod had John the Baptist beheaded and Pharaoh had the baker killed. So someone died and that is the reason no? Well then afternoon naps should be held in the same regard. No good JW woman should be giving their child a nap in the afternoon!!!!! 2 Samuel 4:5-7

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The mistranslation of John 14.10

by Wonderment in

darby bible translation says the following at john 14.10 (brackets his): .

"believest thou not that i [am] in the father, and that the father is in me?

the words which i speak to you i do not speak from myself; but the father who abides in me, he does the works.".

Aroq

"Jesus started one church that the apostles propagated. What were they teaching? That Jesus came for 144k? That only they had the heavenly hope? That part is a new testament."

Good point. What did Jesus say to them? Well, on the premise of belief in the Bible as the Word of God, inspired by God, we have to accept what the disciples wrote. So with this in mind, the corrections made by Paul to the different churches around and the descriptions throughout the NT, we ARE told what Jesus said to the disciples. Maybe not everything, but what God wanted us to know.

All the rest: "That Jesus came for 144k? That only they had the heavenly hope?.....etc" are completely made up by man.

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So, Christimas....

by Phaedra in

jw
friends

love the music.color, season's greetings, etc.

even have a desktop tree.. neighbors on the block are all lit up (since thanksgiving = awesome!).

the colors are gorgeous!.

Aroq

I love this and it helps me give to my children in two days. Thank you for sharing, and I love you.

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The mistranslation of John 8.58

by Wonderment in

john 8.58 is one of those scriptures which translators often mis-translate.. i am aware this text is defended with passion either way by its advocates.

many insist the "i am" rendering found in many versions is correct.

others defend the "i have been" or "i was" readings of other versions.

Aroq

Have you considered this same thing in John 6:20? The direct translation of Jesus statement is " I AM no be fearing"

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What's up with the HEBREWS translation?

by TTWSYF in

this book states in verse 8 chapter 1 that the father calls jesus god.

the nwt is very different.

i wonder which one is the most accurate?.

Aroq

Have you looked into the Greek words? How they are put together and from sources other than Biblehub?

http://www.codex-sinaiticus.net/en/manuscript.aspx?book=46&chapter=1&lid=en&side=r&verse=8&zoomSlider=0

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/heb1.pdf

http://www.newjerusalem.org/Heb.1?from=Search%28Heb.1.8%29#8

http://www.academic-bible.com/en/online-bibles/greek-new-testament-ubs5/read-the-bible-text/bibel/text/lesen/stelle/68/10001/19999/ch/40e1c1f92c671e55de331cce874784ab/

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J.W. Women Should Stop Wearing Mascara!

by The Searcher in

the wtbts/ org dictates to its subservient followers what constitutes a bible truth/principle and what does not.

example: it-1 p. 319 birthday - ".....there is no indication in the scriptures that faithful worshipers of jehovah ever indulged in the pagan practice of annually celebrating birthdays.

the bible makes direct reference to only two birthday celebrations, those of pharaoh of egypt and herod antipas.

Aroq

No more afternoon naps!!! This is strictly forbidden. There was an afternoon nap recorded in the Bible and someone was beheaded. A good JW woman would never let her baby sleep during the day.

2 Samuel 4:5-7 "5 So the sons of Rimmon the Beerothite, Rechab and Baanah, departed and came to the house of Ish-bosheth in the heat of the day while he was taking his midday rest. 6They came to the middle of the house as if to get wheat, and they struck him in the belly; and Rechab and Baanah his brother escaped. 7 Now when they came into the house, as he was lying on his bed in his bedroom, they struck him and killed him and beheaded him. And they took his head and traveled by way of the Arabah all night."

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INSTRUCTIONS FOR OUR CHRISTIAN LIFE AND MINISTRY MEETING

by pixel in

1. the life and ministry meeting will proceed as outlined in the life and ministry meeting workbookand according to the instructions that follow.. 3. treasures from gods word:.

the theme and an outline of two or three main points are provided in thelife and ministry meeting workbook.

this should be assigned to a qualified elder.. 6. concluding comments: 3 minutes or less.

Aroq

"The student and assistant may be seated at a table or be standing."

What exactly is this? Is there another option?

" I would like to hop on one foot please?"

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New light!, says JW-Archive. The inspired word can have mistranslations, says Dec 2015 WT

by StarTrekAngel in

sorry, i know i posted this earlier but i believe the title did not gather enough attention.

i think is a topic worth discussing.. http://www.jw-archive.org/post/127866869178/new-light-the-inspired-word-of-god-can.

Aroq

"It is noteworthy that when writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures, they usually did so from the Septuagint"

Is this a factual statement? or is this one of the "obviously, or evidently's"

All this WT article states is that the Septuagint is the faulty text not the Hebrew scriptures. It is the reliance on the Septuagint that is the fault. My understanding was not that the Septuagint was written for its upstanding translation of the Hebrew scriptures, but rather for the Greek readers to be able to read the Hebrew scriptures.

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EXACTLY Why JW's Are NOT Christian

by Perry in

a lot of people, ex-jws, believers and unbelievers alike, think that jw's are just a somewhat kooky brand of christianity.

is it possible to "try and follow jesus" and not be christian?

what exactly makes someone a christian?

Aroq

to :

fulltimestudent

It was a Pharisee named Gamaliel, who was a teacher of the Law. It was said because the theory was that if it were true it would continue, if it were not true it would fizzle out.

At what point does it become true or not? That is the real question. If it dies out after 200 years, was it true? Ever? For the movement to be true it must not fizzle out, not in 5 years, not in 1000 years, but forever remain.

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"Of course, I don't want to talk to you about that....."

by Phizzy in

the thread title refers to a number of times i have heard those words, or "substance thereof" lol, from jw's.. they are referring to my/our reasons for leaving.. it occurs to me that the correct response is not a "respectful", " i understand", but rather should be :.

" why ever not ?".

if they have "the truth" why should they not discuss and defend it ?.

Aroq

I had a JW get super mad at me for asking him to defend some thing he said to me while he was in "service" that I didn't agree with. I asked him to read 1 peter 3:15, he refused so I read it to him. I got just about to the part of "yet do it with gentleness and respect" and he yelled it at me. LOL

I said you do know it is YOU who need to be the gentle and respectful one, as I am the one asking and you are the one defending?

Stormed off in a huff.