I read the article and it gives no answer other than being a witness of Jesus is basically being a witness of Jehovah's "new feature", thus Jehovah. This is their spin. It all comes back to the denial of Jesus. Jesus said to be a witness of Him and what He had done. This would give glory to God. The articel clearly admits that Jesus did not say to be a witness of Jehovah, but rather Himself.
Posts by Aroq
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31WT for this Sunday...You are My Witnesses
by Legacy inwt 7/15/2014....page 27...question # 17...what will we consider in the next article...paragraph 17...but how can we be jehovah witnesses and at the same time be witnesses of jesus....well well well...i think they really got the point...all through the greek scriptures, that's what jesus has been saying...we are to witness about him....in the hebrews scriptures was about jehovah god, most of the world got that.
now jehovah, put another spoke in the wheel his son...jesus...that's who paul has been talking about all along...that he was witness of jesus, paul knew who god was.
i think the society monitors sites like these & others & found out....they may have been, uh...wrong....wonder how are they going to spin this one off....i won't read the next article just yet... comments anyone ..... legacy.
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ELDER LIES AND GET'S PRAISED FOR IT! FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST ME!
by BucketShopBill inwant to know how a lie can turn into a compliment?
only in the jw mindset!!!.
we got called into the dreaded back room after meeting to find two elders wanting to discuss a 'serious' matter with us.
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Aroq
You are the one to allow this to happen. You give them the control over you.
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CONVENTION "WARFARE"
by The Searcher inon saturday evening i prepared three little truthful statements regarding the "new scrolls", and printed out several copies;.
1) the word 'new' does not appear in revelation 20:12.
2) the scrolls are not "new teachings", they are a basis of judgement for those resurrected.. 3) the scrolls are opened after satan is destroyed - not during christ's 1000 year reign!.
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Aroq
why the need for a toilet annendant anyway?
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WT required to submit financials in Mexico starting in 2015
by MaybeSo in"las obligaciones que este nuevo regimen fiscal nos pide: llevar de manera electronica un registro de todas sus operaciones de ingresos y egresos; tener documentacion comprobatoria de cada operacion, acto o actividad; enviar informe contable mensual a traves de la pagina del sat; expedir comprobante fiscal digital por internet (cfdi).".
http://www.elsiglodedurango.com.mx/noticia/535395.con-el-nuevo-regimen-fiscal-la-iglesia-catolica-pagara-impuestos-.html.
roughly traslated: the requirements of the new fiscal system require: to record electronically a ledge of all income and expenses; to record and document all operations, acts or activities, to send a registed monthly report through sat's (kind of like the irs in the us) website, submit comprobante fiscal digidtal por internet (cfdi) (sort of tax form) .
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Aroq
hoser, I saw the link you posted and have a question: If armageddon is very soon, then why the long term investments? Would going to college be considered a long term investment?
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This week's Book study :the chicken or egg debate
by raymond frantz inthis week's book study has this to say on paragraph 11:.
11 all humans are by inheritance sinful and thus deserving of sins penaltydeath.
(romans 5:12) but jehovah finds no pleasure in the death of sinners.
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Aroq
You mentioned that charis does not mean "undeserved kindness", I agrre with you, however if we look at the phrase in question there is a word that indicate a free gift. That word is:
G1432
δωρεάν
dōrean
do-reh-an'
Accusative case of G1431 as adverb;
gratuitously (literally or figuratively): - without a {cause} {freely} for {naught} in vain.So I would have to disagree with you on the part where you said there is not free gift in the passage. Now then we have to look at ourselves, are we worthy of such a gift? If not, then the gift would be undeserved would it not?
G5485
χάρις
charis
khar'-ece
From G5463 ; graciousness (as {gratifying }) of manner or act (abstract or concrete; {literal} figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the {heart} and its reflection in the life; including gratitude ): - {acceptable} {benefit} {favour} {gift} grace ({-ious}) joy {liberality} {pleasure} thank ({-s} -worthy).
The word gratuity from wikipedia :"gratuity", dates back either to the 1520s, from "graciousness", from the French gratuité (14th century) or directly from Medieval Latin gratuitas, "free gift", probably from earlier Latin gratuitus, "free, freely given"
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Colossians 1:15-16 and the word "other"
by yogosans14 in"he is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities.
all [other] things have been created through him and for him.
" (col. 1:15-17, for context.
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Aroq
The defense is God's word.
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Colossians 1:15-16 and the word "other"
by yogosans14 in"he is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities.
all [other] things have been created through him and for him.
" (col. 1:15-17, for context.
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Aroq
So what you are telling me is that you do not believe there is ANY inspired word of God. Got it. Then what are you even arguing about if you believe none of it?
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Colossians 1:15-16 and the word "other"
by yogosans14 in"he is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities.
all [other] things have been created through him and for him.
" (col. 1:15-17, for context.
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Aroq
So what you are telling me designs, is that you do not believe in Jesus. I get that loud and clear. You think I am dogging your question, but the reality of it is your question is illogical. I suppose your next question would be "can God make a rock so big that even He cannot lift it?" designs, I see that we are not going to have a very productive discussion as you keep insisting that I have not answered your question. I have, you just do not like the answer because it does not pin me against any of your preconcieved rebuttles. Look, I can only tell you what I know, you can choose to ignore it or argue. I'm not into playing the what if game, especially when I have the answer in the Bible.
Give me your proof that Jesus was giving commands that were already in place. I see none of it in God's inspired word.
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The Circuit Overseer Visit
by garyneal inlast week, the circuit overseer came to visit my wifes congregation and as usual their patterns change somewhat during this week.
from my perspective, the meetings are held on tuesday and thursday instead of the normal wednesday night during this week and they are more eager to go out in field service.
sunday came and my wife wanted us to attend the meeting.
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Aroq
Since we are talking about hypocrisy and you mentioned blood:
if JW's are allowed to accept fractions of blood, who donated the blood to gather the fractions from?
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Colossians 1:15-16 and the word "other"
by yogosans14 in"he is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities.
all [other] things have been created through him and for him.
" (col. 1:15-17, for context.
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Aroq
"You could have easily drawn on Bible only examples of times when God granted humans and angels his powers to do many things ie Resurrections, miracle cures, controlling weather etc."
designs, you have answered your own question with an answer you wanted to hear.
"Aroq- Can you see that people making Jesus into God was superfluous just by the Bible's examples alone."
People do not make Jesus who He is. Think about this for a moment. Who is Jesus to add to YHWH's commandments? Is this not superseeding YHWH?
examples:
John 13:34 " 34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "
Matthew 5: 21 “You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘ You shall not commit murder ’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.