Posts by Aroq

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John 1:3

by Hi y-all in

john 1:3 states in the nwt, "all things came into existence through him, and apart from him (the word, or jesus) not even one thing came into existence.".

the wt states apart from him one thing came into existence, that is, jesus the first created being.. is there an explanation for this apparent contradiction?.

thanks!.

Aroq

Ding! Ding! Ding! we have a winner!!!!

pun intended

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Watchtower teaches that Jesus dying on the stake is no longer certain

by Listener in

the watchtower has held for many years that jesus died on a stake and held strongly to this teaching.

w 1951 3/15 the above agrees with the new world translation of the christian greek scriptures in its appendix, page 769, in saying that the instrument upon which jesus was nailed was a stake without a crossbeam, and not the religiously represented “cross”; and that the greek word used for that instrument in ancient time meant a “stake” and not the conventional religious cross.

they are no longer certain on this point.

Aroq

slimboyfat, yes I have heard that argument as well....not enough trees. Well that makes perfect sense then. If you have a single pole or poles stuck in the ground at some place and have the one being executed carry only a smaller piece (as indicated in the Bible), you would use less trees. Instead of a whole tree per person, you could get a two for one deal out of each tree.

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Governing Body letter

by John Davis in

there is a governing body letter to be read this week..

Aroq

Thisismein1972, Does this mean what I think it does? This generation now living may not die until the WT has met its end? Or could it be 3 overlapping generations?

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How ballroom dancing helped our exit

by Finally Left in

just wanted to say hello and thank you for all of your comments.

when i finally figured out this was not the truth it was nice to know i wasn't the only one - it was a surprise to learn how many there are.

february was my last month of service after 43 active years.

Aroq

Yay, that's all I can say. YAY

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This might be a good week to start a conversation about Jeremiah 29:10

by George One Time in

at this week clam meeting, jeremiah 29:10 is discussed:.

jer 29:10—how does this verse demonstrate the accuracy of bible prophecy?

the mistranslation of this verse is the basis of the idea that the jews spend 70 years in exile in babylon.

Aroq

George, 607 can be dismissed using the Bible alone. Its just getting a jw to accept what the Bible actually says. While there are no actual dates, the Bible does show that the time period the jw's claim is impossible.

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Next time you hear a JW say, "we're the most persecuted religion on earth, proving Jesus' prophecy...."

by kpop in

please show them this.... easter 2017, christians ‘most persecuted group in the world’.

during the last calendar year, some 90,000 christians were killed for their faith across the globe, making christians by far the most persecuted group in the world, according to a study from the turin-based center for studies on new religions (cesnur).. while tens of thousands of christians are killed for their faith, introvigne said, they are just the tip of the iceberg and much persecution takes place on a daily basis that never makes news.. http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/04/16/easter-2017-christians-most-persecuted-group-in-the-world/.

dear jw's, it's all about being a christian that is important, not being a jw!!.

Aroq

nice find and thank you.

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Were the apostles of the 'Anointed class' when they partook?

by why144000 in

according to john 20:22 the apostles did not receive the holy spirit until after jesus was resurrected.

wouldn't this make them part of 'the other sheep' when they partook of the bread and wine?.

Aroq

Judas WAS a partaker! He was there and Jesus handed Judas the bread. Matthew 26:20-29, Mark 14:17-25 and John 13:21-30.....especially verse 30.

30 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.

Each account is a description of the Lord's supper and the prediction of who would betray Jesus.

So was Judas anointed? or of the Great crowd?

Neither! Luke 22:3 "3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve."

This was prior to the Lord's supper, but he still partook.

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It's right there in our faces, how could we NOT see it?

by NikL in

i know there have been many many posts on here over the years on the deity of jesus.. i am submitting this one because i am feeling a little confused.. the thing is, i am not the sharpest knife in the drawer and i know this.

so when i am going through my bible reading (to all you haters, yes i still do it) i see so many scriptures that just fly in the face of everything the jws teach about jesus.. i begin to wonder if indeed i am diseased in the mind ,as they will try to paint me, because it seems so plain to me.. i never even gave it a though growing up as to if jesus and god were equal.

i just didn't.. now when i read scriptures like philippians 9.... 9 for this very reason, god exalted him to a superior position+ and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,+ 10 so that in the name of jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground+— 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that jesus christ is lord+ to the glory of god the father.. .

Aroq

You are not mistaken. Cog Diss is what its called. The wt has tricked the jws into believing what they tell them. Then it becomes the emperors new clothes, no one wants to tell, because then they will be the outsider.

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The Triune Polytheism; the 'Trinity'

by the-Question in

the most ridiculous of all dogmas anywhere in the universe is the very foundation of churchianity.....thus, all their other claims are just blah, blah!.

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Aroq

@the-Question

"Jews have funny beanies, now, added candlesticks to the one used once by the Ancient Jews, when faithful, don't even believe the Exodus was real anymore, before Christ HID God's Name, and now use G-d, to 'show respect'....

Utter Hypocrisy"

The hypocrisy is the wt themselves. They make claims against other "churches" that they themselves do. Example:

Child abuse/pedophilia from among their clergy and the cover up of it to save face. They loved it when the Catholics got caught, but now they're dealing with the SAME thing.

"Oh, but the wt doesn't have a clergy!" -----they're called elders and circuit overseers and minstrial servants, etc. Same thing!

Who are YOU to determine what others consider respectful? If one (singular or plural) feels not worthy of uttering God's name, who are you to condemn that? What business is it of yours? The wt claims that the Jews distorted the Bible by not including God's name. Who wrote it in the first place? JEWS! Talk about distortion, "Jehovah" was NEVER in ANY Greek manuscript of the New Testament, NEVER! That is the insertion by uneducated wt writers from a name created by a Catholic Monk in 1287.

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Jehovahs Witnesses condemn Christian Religions .In reality Christian religions are Caring for Aged JW`s.

by smiddy in

who are looking after the aged and infirm jehovah`s witnesses ,?

its certainly not the organization known as the wtb&ts ./jehovahs witnesses religion .. and why is that ?

satans system of things with jehovahs blessing , has programs to look after those who have such needs , such as the dole for unemployed ,medical assistance for those who cant afford it ,and their are many charitable institutions that look after those that fall in the cracks.

Aroq

"They suck all they can out of this world and they give nothing back." ---smiddy

the first thing I thought of when reading this is:

Isn't that exactly the case when it comes to taking some blood fractions? Who donated that blood they took? Not them.

Also, it has been the case with my ex and that side of the family. Take, take, take......