Nonjwspouse - What is the scriptural basis for your statement? Please list the clearest scriptures that support your statement.
objectivetruth
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Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?
by booker-t inthis is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.
the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.
the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.
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Jehovah's Witnesses's Matthew 24:14 Good News of the Kingdom.. A different Good News Galatians 1:9
by objectivetruth injehovah' witnesses use matthew 24:14, and their world wide preaching work, as proof, that they are the only "organization" that is doing jehovah's will.. what if the good news that they are preaching is a false good news or as paul would call it "a different good news"?
is there any value to a world wide preaching work, that is preaching a false good news?
or should that entire work be accursed?.
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Is the Good News susceptible to "New Light"?
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/lv/r1/lp-e/0/14884
CAPABLE teachers pay attention not only to what they tell their students but also to how they tell it. As teachers of Bible truth, we do the same. We give attention to both the message we preach and the methods we use. Our message, the good news of God’s Kingdom, does not change, but we do adapt our methods. Why? To reach as many people as possible.
Hmm... Why has it changed so much then?
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Jehovah's Witnesses's Matthew 24:14 Good News of the Kingdom.. A different Good News Galatians 1:9
by objectivetruth injehovah' witnesses use matthew 24:14, and their world wide preaching work, as proof, that they are the only "organization" that is doing jehovah's will.. what if the good news that they are preaching is a false good news or as paul would call it "a different good news"?
is there any value to a world wide preaching work, that is preaching a false good news?
or should that entire work be accursed?.
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Crazy.. Thanks for mentioning the book.. That will be very interesting to see, I'll look for it and try to quote it.
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Jehovah's Witnesses's Matthew 24:14 Good News of the Kingdom.. A different Good News Galatians 1:9
by objectivetruth injehovah' witnesses use matthew 24:14, and their world wide preaching work, as proof, that they are the only "organization" that is doing jehovah's will.. what if the good news that they are preaching is a false good news or as paul would call it "a different good news"?
is there any value to a world wide preaching work, that is preaching a false good news?
or should that entire work be accursed?.
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Dear Obtruth, I think you have a simplistic view of how "Christianity" developed in the 1st Century, it is evident that Paul had his Christology, and the Apostles in Jerusalem another, rather different one. Paul had little regard for their views if they clashed with his.
Phizzy - You're right, I have not studied the development of Christianity too much.. However regardless of who said what, when or how.. The fact is NOONE ever said.. "From the year 1914 onward, The Benefit of Salvation will have an added requisite. At this time you will need to associate yourselves with the Governing Body" It is only the Simplest and Purest of truth that can be understood. 1 Cor 2:14 NLT But people who aren't spiritual can't receive these truths from God's Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can't understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means.
Laika - See Russell's quote - "We reasoned that, if Christ's coming was to end probation and bring irrevocable ruin upon ninety nine of a hundred of mankind, then it could scarcely be considered desirable, neither could we pray with a proper spirit, "Come, Lord Jesus, Come quickly." (SUPPLEMENT TO ZION'S WATCH TOWER AND HERALD OF CHRIST'S PRESENCE Jun 1879) - Anyone JW who prays for the kingdom to come, now.. Is praying for 999 out of 1000 humans to be Destroyed.
Designs - Paul was an apostates just like Jesus, and all of his apostles
. Ablebodied - Are those who do not know God the ones being disfellowshipped?
Are they the ones doing the disfellowshipping?
Great Point!
Based on scripture, Every witness who teaches the Governing Body's good news should be Disfellowshipped.
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JWs under scrutiny in Finland
by Mickey mouse inhttp://yle.fi/uutiset/ngo_calls_on_ministry_to_probe_closed_religious_groups_jehovahs_witnesses_under_scrutiny/7219755.
sorry i'm on a tablet so can't make the above clickable.
more at link.
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Oh my... "
However persons who attempt suicide are not referred to the committee. According to the teachings of the church attempted suicide is adequate expression of regret and does not require intervention by the judicial committee.
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Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life..." What is the JW perspective on this passage?
by Faithful Witness inhow important is the phrase, "i am" to jw's, when it is spoken by jesus about himself?
my elderette wants to examine this scripture (john 14:6) together next week.
i'm wondering what rabbit she is going to pull out of her hat.
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Possibly if you have recently discussed some teachings that did not sit well with you.. She will lead off with John 6:68 - "
Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life,"
This is a valid argument on the Elderettes behalf, because if their are teachings that We do not understand that come from Jesus, we should not look to follow someone else.. But, she will try and rephrase the scripture to "where else shall we go" by doing this she will lead into, the "fact" that JWs are the only ones that teach the Truth of Everlasting life.. Etc,etc.
If she uses the approach, it is a perfect in for you. In addition to John 14:6, here are some other scriptures that will help you.
John 11:25 - "Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;"
John 10:9 - "I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture." (This is complementary to Matthew 7:14 narrow is the gate) You can emphasize that there is only ONE Gate -
John 10:1 - "Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.
To Examine John 14:6 : "The Way" - 1 Timothy 2:5 - "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus," Through his Sacrifice, he made a way for all sinners to approach his father. 1 John 2:6 - "whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked." Jesus is the Way in 2 ways.. 1 He is the Mediator for us, to approach Jehovah 2. His life is an example for us to follow.
"The Truth" - John 1:17 - "For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." / Romans 6:14 - "For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace." / John 8:32 - "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." The source of truth, or he who originates and communicates truth for the salvation of men. Truth is a representation of things as they are. The life, the purity, and the teaching of Jesus Christ was the most complete and perfect representation of the things of the eternal world that has been or can be presented to man.
Anything that is taught beyond what Jesus Taught, does not hold up.. He did not come to create a new set of laws, that are burdensome, he came to release us from Law, and to give us Grace. Matthew 11:28-30 "Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
"The Life" - John 11:25 - "Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live,"
John 5:26 - "For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself."
John 5:21 - "For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.
John 6:50,51 - "This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die.51“I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh.”
1 Corinthians 15:22 - "For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
1 Timothy 4:10 - "For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe."
Now.. If you really want to make the Elderette think, here are some thoughts..
If she is not Annointed, ask her "Why isn't Jesus the way and your Mediator?" ... Possibly she will say, that he is her Mediator.
Watchtower 2008 12/15 pp. 12-16 13 What does Jesus’ role as Mediator involve? Well, Jehovah applies the value of Jesus’ blood to those being brought into the new covenant. In this way, Jehovah legally credits them with righteousness. (Rom. 3:24; Heb. 9:15) God can then take them into the new covenant with the prospect of their becoming heavenly king-priests! As theirMediator, Jesus assists them in maintaining a clean standing before God.—Heb. 2:16. (The new Covenant in JW Doctrine refers to the 144,000 - Anyone whom is not of the 144,000 does not have Christ as their Mediator) w79 11/15 pp. 24-27 Benefiting from "One Mediator Between God and Men"
Today, according to authentic records, there is a "great crowd" of dedicated, baptized Christians who actively collaborate with the small remnant of spiritual Israelites. Ever since the spring of 1938 they have been invited to attend the annual memorial celebration of Christ?s death, not to partake of the memorial emblems, the unleavened bread and the red wine, but as respectful observers. They recognize Jesus Christ as their heavenly King since the Gentile Times ended in 1914. They zealously join the remnant of spiritual Israelites in preaching "this good news of the kingdom" in all the inhabited earth for a "witness to all the nations" before this system of things ends in the coming "great tribulation." (Matt. 24:14, 21) They recognize that they are not spiritual Israelites in the new covenant mediated by Jesus Christ, nor part of the "chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation."?1 Pet. 2:9.
See this post for more facts : http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/88855/1/Jesus-as-the-mediator-for-the-144-000-only#.U2ZVXtS9KK0
For The Truth, ask her why the Watchtower says that the Bible is not sufficient, to understand the Truth.
1 John 2:27 - "But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him."
"But Jehovah God has also provided his visible organization, his "faithful and discreet slave", made up of spirit-anointed ones, to help Christians in all nations to understand and apply properly the Bible in their lives. Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do."Watchtower 1981 Nov 15 p.27
For The Life, ask her why Jesus is not life for all men.. And only Jehovah's Witnesses
"The other sheep should never forget that their salvation depends on their active support of Christ’s anointed “brothers” still on earth. " (w12 3/15 pp. 20-24)
Salvation Does not come through a Man, it only comes From God through his Son. Acts 4:12 - "12 Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”
: ) Let us know how it goes please.
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Jehovah's Witnesses's Matthew 24:14 Good News of the Kingdom.. A different Good News Galatians 1:9
by objectivetruth injehovah' witnesses use matthew 24:14, and their world wide preaching work, as proof, that they are the only "organization" that is doing jehovah's will.. what if the good news that they are preaching is a false good news or as paul would call it "a different good news"?
is there any value to a world wide preaching work, that is preaching a false good news?
or should that entire work be accursed?.
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http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989210 - Reasoning Book Regarding Armageddon
If you prefer a link off of this website you can access this link -
Will there be survivors?
Zeph. 2:3: “Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, who have practiced His own judicial decision. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you may be concealed in the day of Jehovah’s anger.”
Rom. 10:13: “Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.”
Ps. 37:34: “Hope in Jehovah and keep his way, and he will exalt you to take possession of the earth. When the wicked ones are cut off, you will see it.”
John 3:16: “God . . . gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
- By using these scriptures, they are implying that only individuals that "Call on the Name of Jehovah ,and that "exercise " Faith in Jesus will survive Armageddon.
Babies & Children Destroyed
It also reveals that in times past when God destroyed the wicked he likewise destroyed their little ones. (Num. 16:27, 32; Ezek. 9:6) God does not want anyone to be destroyed, so he is having a warning sounded now to benefit both parents and children. Would it not be wise for parents to pursue a course that would result in their children being looked on with favor by God both now and at Armageddon?
- This implies that Both Children and Parents alike will be Destroyed at Armageddon.
Will the destruction be forever? - Matt. 25:46: “These [who refused to do good to Christ’s “brothers”] will depart into everlasting cutting-off.”
2 Thess. 1:8, 9: “Those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus . . . will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction.”
- By quoting these 2 Scriptures, they are implying that those destroyed at Armageddon, are cast into the Lake of Fire. (No Hope of Resurrection)
SUMMARY Nothing is stated, but it is implied by the use of Scriptures that only Jehovah's Witnesses will survive Armageddon. With this reasoning, that ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses will survive, it is indicating that Every one that is not a Jehovah's Witness will die in Armageddon. This Includes non JW's as well as their Children & Babies. They then imply that any one that DOES NOT survive Armageddon is Cast into the Lake of Fire.
According to this reasoning.. At the Conclusion of Armageddon Jehovah will Utterly Annihilate, 7 Billion of His cherished Human Children (Including Babies & Children), and 7 Million Jehovah's will Rejoice and Skip And Dance into Paradise, praising the Sanctification of Gods Name.
This Rejoicing over the Annihilation of 7 Billion Fellow humans can be seen in the July 2014 Study Edition Watchtower
The removal of Satan and his world at the great tribulation will likewise be followed by a victory celebration. Faithful survivors of Jehovah’s day will cry out: “Let us be joyful and rejoice in the salvation by him.” (Isaiah 25:9) What exultation there will be when Jehovah’s sovereignty is vindicated and the earth is cleansed for peaceful habitation!
I guess there has been New Light and Ezekiel 18:23 is no longer Valid?
- Ezekiel 18:23 - " Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?"
A few notes :
- They are stating that Matthew 25:46 (Sheep & The Goats) is a Judgement that takes place at Armageddon, this statement is false.. The Judging of the Sheep & Goats is at the Fibal Judgement which takes place at the end of the 1,000 year reign.
- Through their own Doctrine they, prove that the Judgement of the Sheep & Goats is not at Armageddon.. "46 These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.” - Acdording to the JW doctrine , the Great Crowd does not receive everlasting Life until they have been Judged at the end of the Millenium.
- In Revelation 19:21 - It is clear that no Humans are cast into the Lake of Fire. Rev 19:21 - " And the wild beast was caught, and along with it the false prophet that performed in front of it the signs with which he misled those who received the mark of the wild beast and those who worship its image. While still alive, they both were hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulfur. 21 But the rest were killed off with the long sword that proceeded out of the mouth of the one seated on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh." Notice the Words "But the Rest" this Seperates the fate of the entities of The Wild Beast and the False Prophet, from the actual humans that are mislead.
- Revelation 20:10 shows that there are only 2 entities in the Lake of fire at the end of the Millenium - "10 And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet already were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
- If Jesus comes the second time to Judge and destroy the Sinners, how does this scripture fit? Hebrews 9:28so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
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Jehovah's Witnesses's Matthew 24:14 Good News of the Kingdom.. A different Good News Galatians 1:9
by objectivetruth injehovah' witnesses use matthew 24:14, and their world wide preaching work, as proof, that they are the only "organization" that is doing jehovah's will.. what if the good news that they are preaching is a false good news or as paul would call it "a different good news"?
is there any value to a world wide preaching work, that is preaching a false good news?
or should that entire work be accursed?.
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Many Jehovah's Witness individuals understand the true and proper Good News, with Relative Accuracy.
However the Good News that the Governing Body is teaching, and the Good News that fills Billions of Magazines and Books,published by the Watchtower is indeed a different Good News..
When discussing this issue with A JW friend or family member, often times something interesting will happen.. You will both have the SAME understanding of the Good News, which is made clear in the Bible.. But you will have to Prove what the Watchtower is actually teaching! It's a very strange phenomenon, for someone to agree to the correct message, but disagree that the organization teaches some thing different.
I will be examining Current and recent Publications, and point out all of the errors made and the lies that are being spread all through out the Earth regarding the Good News. It is my hope that some will be helped to show their Friend or Family members what the Watchtpwer is teaching as Good News.
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Jehovah's Witnesses's Matthew 24:14 Good News of the Kingdom.. A different Good News Galatians 1:9
by objectivetruth injehovah' witnesses use matthew 24:14, and their world wide preaching work, as proof, that they are the only "organization" that is doing jehovah's will.. what if the good news that they are preaching is a false good news or as paul would call it "a different good news"?
is there any value to a world wide preaching work, that is preaching a false good news?
or should that entire work be accursed?.
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Jehovah' Witnesses use Matthew 24:14, and their world wide preaching work, as Proof, that they are the only "Organization" that is doing Jehovah's Will.
What if the Good News that they are preaching is a false good news or as Paul would call it "a different good news"? Is there any Value to a World Wide Preaching Work, that is preaching a false Good News? Or should that entire work be accursed?
See this scripture from the New World Translation.
Galatians 1:9 - "As we have said before, I now say again, Whoever is declaring to you as good news something beyond what you accepted, let him be accursed."
Accursed - from anathema (from 303 /aná, "up" concluding a process, which intensifies 5087 /títhēmi, "to place") – properly, place up, referring to something pledged(given up) to destruction; a divine curse/ban ("accursed"); an "oath-curse."
This same word, anathema is used at 1 Corinthians 12:3 - " Now I would have you know that nobody when speaking by God’s spirit says: “Jesus is accursed!” and nobody can say: “Jesus is Lord!” except by holy spirit." - He was accursed to Death.
To be Accursed is a very serious matter. For this reason, it is of great importance that the Correct Good News is taught.
In Galatians 1:8, Paul says " However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond the good news we declared to you, let him be accursed."
When Paul said "we" he is Referring to himself as well as the Apostles. Since Paul and all of the Apostles received the Message of the Good News from Jesus, a Christian at that time would naturally trust all that they said. He warned against this, and then he Drives the point home by saying "an angel out of Heaven". This also solidifies the fact that there can be no "New Light" Regarding the Good News. It must remain exactly the same as it was received From Jesus, and placed all throughout the scriptures.
The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses today, claim the Apostles were the Governing Body of Pauls time.. So with Paul's words it is clear that REGARDLESS who is teaching the Good News.. If it is different then what was received, from Jesus , that individual or that Class should be Accursed.
Romans 16:17 - " Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them."
Christians whom care about theit relationship with God, should avoid any Apostate Organization or Individual that teaches another Good News.
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Why did God/Jehovah/Jesus create Viruses and bacteria that can kill humans and animals?
by Jon Preston ini know this topic has been spoken about but i havent seen an official thead about it.
so theists why did god create these and why does he co tinue to allow them?
are they from the talking snake, satan?.
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Seraphim - I don't agree that God "Made" Darkness,Evil or Death.
Rather I believe that it's an effect of his Eternal Laws.. in order for there to be order in the Universe there has to be Laws that are as consistent as Mathematics. If 2+2 = 4 Most of the time, but in certain instances God decides to intercede and make 2+2=5 The Universe would Fall Apart.. Even If he did it ONCE the Universe would ultimately be Destroyed.
One of his Eternal Laws, is that only he provides Light that prolongs life. When his creatures rebel, he withdraws his presence from them, and over time they decay and die.
I don't know if God created Evolution.. It seems contrary to his Perfection, if he creates something once, it is as Perfect as it is going to be. I have a suspicion that Whichever Fallen Angel first rebelled, he started to wreck havoc on the Earth.. This may explain Neandrethals. I don't know about this, but I do know that Fallen Angels have much more influence on this Earth,than we can fathom.