Posts by imallgrowedup

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Rehabilitating the Debil

by Satanus in

let's say yhwh really wanted to save the debil and his demons, how could it be accomplished.

here is one method.

tell me if you think it would work.. force them to incarnate, the same way that jesus/archangel was.

imallgrowedup

Saint Satan -

This guy says that's already happened, only the other way around.

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/stones.html

growedup

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KingDumb Halls Want Court Order To Keep Pedophile Documents Secret!

by Country Girl in

congregations want court order .

by jim mcbride.

jehovah's witnesses congregations in amarillo and dumas are seeking a court order protecting them from releasing documents in a lawsuit filed by a woman who claims a former church elder sexually abused her.

imallgrowedup

CG -

Great find! Thank you for posting this!

My thoughts on reading this were "if the Kingdom Halls didn't have anything to hide, why wouldn't they simply produce the documents to exhonerate themselves"? Of course, we all know the reason, but I would hope that any active Witnesses who saw that story had those thoughts, too.

In fact, when I read over the link Blondie contributed which took place in a private school that was run by a church in "Christendom" (below), I just KNOW if active JW elders saw this story (about a teacher who had been reported to the Principal for sexual abuse, and THEN the Principal denied knowing about it during police interviews), they would all want this Principal strung up! Yet at the same time, they wouldn't see themselves in the story!

Some of the alleged acts committed by Morton ''were witnessed by school teachers during field trips that took place during the school's summer session,'' according to the arrest report.
At least some of those teachers reported the incident to Cowan [the Principal], Ruggiero said.
Cowan was interviewed twice by detectives and both times ''denied any knowledge of sexual abuse,'' said the report.
''She definitely had knowledge, and that's a big concern,'' Ruggiero said

This blew my mind, too:

plaintiff implies that abuse took place from 1988 through 1992 when, in fact, there were only two instances of sexual contact,"

Yeah, right - that would be two instances too many! - and two more instances than the WT reported to the authorities!

I kind of had to chuckle at this:

In court documents, Kelley said he completed 10 years in a sex offender program and has finished 10 years of shock probation.

What in the heck is "shock probation"?! Or - do I really want to know the answer to that?!!

growedup

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I've planted a seed before I was ready to nurture it! Help!

by imallgrowedup in

jw
friends

i don't know if i have just unwittingly set my jw mother up for trouble with the wt and i need some opinions on what to do!

i have wanted to try to get my mom and step-dad out of the borg for a long time.

they've been in for about 40 years, so they are pretty die-hard.

imallgrowedup

I don't know if I have just unwittingly set my JW mother up for trouble with the WT and I need some opinions on what to do! Please help!

I have wanted to try to get my mom and step-dad out of the borg for a long time. They've been in for about 40 years, so they are pretty die-hard. One of the reasons I came to this board was to learn as much as possible about the JW religion (thankfully, I was never baptized) so I could get a little more understanding of the religion so I could start planting little seeds. Up until tonight, my seeds have always landed on cement. Tonight, however, they landed in soft, moist peat moss - with a bunch of sunshine, some organic fertilizer and gentle rains. Instead of jumping up and down and cheering, all I can think to do is ask myself "WHAT DID I JUST DO?!!!!!!"

To make a long story short, I accidentally came across some very interesting information in regards to the WT (don't mean to be a tease, but I can't share it right now), and tonight while I was on the phone with JW mom, the topic steered to one of the JW's favorite subjects - The Catholic Church. She was talking about a particular practice the Catholic Church engages in and how underhanded and nasty they are to engage in that practice, and as the Good Lord is my witness, it was the exact same practice I've accidentally stumbled upon in regards to the WT! If there was ever an open door to plant a seed, that was it - the door was flat-out ripped off the hinges - what could I do but proceed with caution? Thinking the seeds would once again fall on cement, I casually mentioned how I had stumbled across this particular piece of information, and asked her what she thought of it. At first, she didn't understand what I was trying to explain - either that, or the blinders were constricting her eyesight - but all of a sudden, she got it. Of course she started offering explanations, but as they were coming out of her mouth, she would catch herself and realize that the explanation she was offering wouldn't work. If I weren't so much on pins and needles because she was actually listening to me, it would have been funny! Anyway, she was genuinely curious and asked me for copies of the documents to back up what I was saying so she could show them to her CO and ask him what he knew. This only served to embolden me, so I dropped another thing I'd found on her, and she was just as receptive to that information as she was to the other thing! If I didn't know better, I would have thought I was talking to anyone OTHER than my mother! This time she asked for copies because she wanted to show them to her DO! Still feeling brave, I dropped yet another bombshell on her - and I got the same reaction again!! This was my dream come true!!! This time she asked for documentation because she wanted to make four copies of everything so she could give copies to her CO and her DO, keep one for herself, and send the remaining copy to the Society because she wants explanations! (I now know from whom I get my "inquring mind"!)

Most people right now would be jumping up and down for joy - but I'm scared to death that I have just set her up for big trouble for, at the very least, possessing apostate literature! Additionally, since the explanations she is requesting are based upon information that has not yet been made public, I'm afraid the WT is going to perceive her no differently than the Anderson's by bringing information to light that the WT doesn't want shown. On top of that, I am very fearful they are going to tell her to cut off all ties with me, and there is no way on the face of this earth I could handle that! What do I do? I don't want her disfellowshipped and shunned by the JW's - she is the type that needs to do the slow fade, because she is far too sensitive of other people's opinion to withstand it. Do I go ahead and give her copies of what she is requesting? Do I retract what I've told her? Do I tell her not to share the information with anyone? (She's probably already called five other sisters to tell them about our conversation.) Do I pile on more stuff - like the UN stuff that I know she hasn't seen? I have really painted myself into a corner here because I WANT her to see the WT's true colors, but I wasn't ready for her to be receptive to so soon! I thought I'd have five or ten years to slowly drip info to her, but she swallowed it all in one night, wants copies of what I've found, and I'm not even done with my research!!!!

What should I do?!!!

growedup of the "you shoulda thought of that BEFORE you spouted off" class!

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JW Prep Schools?!

by imallgrowedup in

jw
friends

i was just reading another thread that mentioned something that knocked me over!

this thread mentions the existence of jw prep schools!

can anyone enlighten me on this topic?

imallgrowedup

Expat -

Great find!

Kind of interesting to note that this school spent only $559 on educational materials, but that they claim over 100 students "attend" their school in different states. I don't think there is a teacher in this country that thinks that spending $5.59 per student per school year is nearly enough to ensure these children get a good education! In fact, this school spends 8 times the amount of money on office supplies than they do on educational materials ($4501 vs. $559)! *growedup shakes head*

Amazing.

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DO YOU THINK E-WATCHMAN IS A JW OR A POSER?

by manna in

i came across this site - http://e-watchman.com/ - it is the e-watchman, an alleged jw.

i think e-watchman is using crude covert tactics to cause doubt in the minds of jws.

eat manna - it's good for you man na

imallgrowedup

sKally,

I right clicked on the red "x", clicked on "Properties" and copied the following from the "Address/URL" line:

For Post # 3657 =

file:///C:/My%20Documents/ewatchman.jpg

For Post # 3658 =

file:///C:/My%20Documents/default_image_anti-christ.jpg

I entered them both - one at a time, of course - into the address bar on my browser, then clicked "go". Still no pics. Don't know what's going on. Am I the only one who can't see these or do I need to adjust my browser settings, or....?

Sorry to hijack the thread - just want to see sKally's pics.

growedup

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JW Prep Schools?!

by imallgrowedup in

jw
friends

i was just reading another thread that mentioned something that knocked me over!

this thread mentions the existence of jw prep schools!

can anyone enlighten me on this topic?

imallgrowedup

Blondie -

I have so much respect for the wealth of information you are always sharing! Thank you for posting this info!!

growedup

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JW Prep Schools?!

by imallgrowedup in

jw
friends

i was just reading another thread that mentioned something that knocked me over!

this thread mentions the existence of jw prep schools!

can anyone enlighten me on this topic?

imallgrowedup

All very interesting information. I am amazed at the personal experiences that were shared! Thanks everyone!

I'm with Badger. I thought prep schools were supposed to "prep" their students for college. The name seems pretty misleading to me!

The complexity of the corporate regime called "WTBTS" never ceases to awe me, so when things like this come up, I am immediately suspicious. However, I think I'm going to have to agree with Blondie, Euph and others in that I don't think the WTBTS endorses these schools.

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DO YOU THINK E-WATCHMAN IS A JW OR A POSER?

by manna in

i came across this site - http://e-watchman.com/ - it is the e-watchman, an alleged jw.

i think e-watchman is using crude covert tactics to cause doubt in the minds of jws.

eat manna - it's good for you man na

imallgrowedup

sf -

Your pictures aren't coming up! I wanna see!!!

:-)

growedup

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Do anybody remember me?

by U.2.K. Tha Greate$t in

jw
friends

been gone for about 2 years, but im back for good.

yall still hoping to get in heaven tho right?

i did'nt know everybody was part of that 144,000, even if it is more than 144,000(did he mislead you?

imallgrowedup

LW -

It's obvious this poster wants us to play a game with him/her, otherwise they would have introduced themself, told us the name they used to post under, and made an attempt to pick up where they left off.

If I am wrong, U.2.K, please accept my apologies, and please try again from an angle that will generate a hospitable response from us. We certainly don't want any new posters feeling unwelcome - so if you're legit - show us so we can welcome you.

growedup

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DO YOU THINK E-WATCHMAN IS A JW OR A POSER?

by manna in

i came across this site - http://e-watchman.com/ - it is the e-watchman, an alleged jw.

i think e-watchman is using crude covert tactics to cause doubt in the minds of jws.

eat manna - it's good for you man na

imallgrowedup

Yur -

Welcome to the board...wondering outloud if Manna is none other than E-Watchman.

It's interesting that you make this observation just one day after e-watchman shut down his/her mailbag (Tuesday). There is another newbie, which I wondered aloud about as well.

Link: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/62869/1.ashx

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