At least I have honest JW's in my cong. We all agreed it was an obvious downsizing move. Others have heard rumors that not enough young people are reaching out. Some circuits don't even have an official CO and are being serviced by substitutes. The old DOs can now step in and fulfill these roles instead of them searching for new people.
kneehighmiah
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The Organization is expanding so much........
by DATA-DOG in...that district overseers are now being used as circuit overseers!!
that was a comment at the wt study program.
another great comment was this: " you can go to bethel and have zero skills.
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First Post...Hi everyone! Thanks for all of your help over the years!
by stuckinarut2 inwell... as they say on talk back radio "i'm a long time listener, first time caller"(poster in this case!).
i have been a "lurker" for several years, but never had the courage to take the step and join up...until now.. i really want to thank everyone for their insights and comments throughout the forum.
although i have not contibuted to discussions, i have benefitted very much from all of your comments and observations on all topics.
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kneehighmiah
Joined within the last 6 months myself. Still stuck in, but mentally free. No stupid guilt. Waiting for the oppurtunity to be truly free. Don't worrry there are even elders and other MS on here.
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GB And Change: Lessons From Soviet History
by metatron ini read an interesting book - "spymaster" by tennent bagley in which he offers a biography of a senior consultant to the kgb, based on long interviews with a man who was once his enemy (sergey kundrashev).
i believe the book proves some powerful insights into the workings of secretive totalitarian cults.. there are many parallels between the two organizations: they were both born out of 1914 events, they addressed each other as comrade/brother, they encouraged youth to become "pioneers/red pioneers", they were started as very individualistic (revolutionaries) -were then taken over and structured by an amoral thug-dictator (stalin/rutherford) , worshipped the "party/organization", emphasized collective thought over the individual, and ended up ruled by an elderly politboro/governing body - who were forced to contend with disruptive change.. .
but here's where the similarities get interesting:.
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kneehighmiah
@konceptual
i disagree that there is not open dissension. Have you read the posts on the International Convention problems? People are openly refusing to obey, prompting strongly worded letters from the branch. The letters basically say how dare you not trust us and follow our direction.
Also this weekend, saturday, there was a special meeting for the secretary and COBEs from the region regarding the refusal of brothers to attend the convention. I've never heard of these levels of dissension Before. They seem unprecedented. Remember when older friends tell you how pumped up everyone would get to have such an awesome privilege? Not anymore.
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I don't believe the JWs will ever change and say the 144,000 is "symbolic"
by booker-t init will never happen.
because that will definitely be the "final nail" in their coffin.
jws will not stand for it any longer.
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kneehighmiah
More people will leave if they don't change. Some people belive all Christians should partake in communion. They may be torn between following a command of Jesus or being shunned and told they have a mental problem for doing what billions of Catholics dO regularly. Now these particular will feel comfortable with partaking.
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Will firing the DOs be the first step to a new Watchtower?
by Juan Viejo2 inagainst my better judgement, i've decided to share the following as a response to guy pierce passing and the announcement of the elimination of district overseers later this year.. late in january (2014) i got an email from one of my contacts (a fader) who served at bethel for several years, but is no longer at wt hq.
he still has a lot of close contacts within the service department and in other departments at patterson and knows people in all of the ny offices.
i kept this email set aside on a flash drive and haven't shared it with anyone - figuring i'd publish an article about it later this year when i had more time to do it right.
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Sources say they will also employ full-time construction "volunteers." Less amateurs to get in the way and screw things up.
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Will firing the DOs be the first step to a new Watchtower?
by Juan Viejo2 inagainst my better judgement, i've decided to share the following as a response to guy pierce passing and the announcement of the elimination of district overseers later this year.. late in january (2014) i got an email from one of my contacts (a fader) who served at bethel for several years, but is no longer at wt hq.
he still has a lot of close contacts within the service department and in other departments at patterson and knows people in all of the ny offices.
i kept this email set aside on a flash drive and haven't shared it with anyone - figuring i'd publish an article about it later this year when i had more time to do it right.
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kneehighmiah
I've heard about RBC being dissolved as well. The brother they will put in charge of the construction in each region will have the clout of a circuit overseer according to sources.
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There are some questions I have had about the JWs view "post-Armaggeddon"
by booker-t ini have always wondered how jws believe about "post-armaggeddon" earth.
question#1 how will jws survivors bury all of the dead bodies.
with about 4 billion people on earth today how can 8 million jw(1/2 of them children and babies) bury all of those dead bodies?
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kneehighmiah
The bodies will start flashing and then disappear like in the old side-scrolling fighting (beat 'em up) games.
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I think my D.O. Is a closet apostate. References Stanford Prison Study and hints he sometimes disagrees with the Branch
by kneehighmiah ini find it odd that the district overseer today made.
1. zero yes 0 references to the fds in any of his talks.. 2.he also told elders that the brothers worship god and not them.so therefore the elders have no authority to order the friends around.. 3. he also talked about the stanford prison study and said that people who receive authority over others often abuse it.
4. he mentioned that when he disagrees with the branch (aka the fds) he's learned to just do what they say.
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kneehighmiah
I believe the recent changes have been made to root out many closet apostate D.O.s.
I doubt they will actually be reassigned to circuit work. In our area 2 circuits were recently dissolved. This means they have less circuits than before. Most of these guys will be reassigned to a congreagation so they can fade into obscurity. The GB can then excersice more control by sending out thier groomed HQ representatives to all assemblies.
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GB Pierce - DEAD
by Smiles inannouncement here:.
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http://www.jw.org/en/news/headlines/?v=2552828400#mid702014108.
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kneehighmiah
I guess the GB plans on sticking around on the earth for a little bit.
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Is anyone else completely astonished that they're drawing attention to 1914/2014 - 100 years
by jambon1 ini note that they're making reference to this in the upcoming convention programme.
someone has has dropped a bollock here, have they not?.
i mean, if i were a jw, i'd be sitting thinking of all the promises made and broken.
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island man...thank you for your comment. If you read the watchtower of last week, for the first time they also mention christ began ruling as king in a limited sense over his anointed followers in 33 CE. I used the index to see if this had ever been said before and found no occurrences. This means they can now completely separate his rule as king from His presence. without admitting they were wrong, they will sat that evidently christs presence is a future event. They have already moved the heavenly reward into the future as we will see in an upcoming article.
i do believe they read apostate sites and even yahoo answers. Posts like yours on yahoo answers helped wake me up. You and others so thoroughly destroy their position, they have no choice but to change it.