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  Is it true that the GB is soon planning on ditching the 1914 doctrine?

  by yogosans14 in

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  2. beliefs

  or atleast tweaking it again... apparently there has been rumors of this coming out of bethel.

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  I've just heard rumors, nothing confirmed. They could change it later in the future. As of now, it's 100 years. Time to celebrate!
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  Jehovah’s Witnesses immediately formed a disaster relief committee to aid the victims.

  by suavojr in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  first, i thought they closed the branch in chile?

  and second, check out the comment:.

  +1 718 560 5000. chile: jason d. reed, tel.

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  I overheard someone in my congregation mention these disaster relief committees, it's part of the new arrangements being planned out.
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  Counting tracts as placements on reports now?!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ahhhhhh......man....... .

  so now we have to count all tracts / leaflets / meeting invitations etc as placements on the monthly report slip???.

  is this just another method of control or accountability!

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  Like people have said, it's numbers. It's so simple to leave tracts, anyone could just stick it into your mailbox, drop it off, hand it out like flyers, message gets across faster. Cheap to make and enough to produce millions. It will be used as a "sign" of God's approval just by showing the number of tracts. It keeps JWs busy and impressed once announced how many tracts were released
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  BOE Letter Regarding Branch Visit

  by pixel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to all bodies of elders in the united states branch territory re: branch visit in november 2014. dear brothers:.

  in our letter dated february 19, 2014, to all congregations in the united states branch ter- ritory, you were informed of a special weekend program to be held on saturday, november 8, 2014, and sunday, november 9, 2014. this program is in connection with the branch visit scheduled for the united states and will be broadcast to locations throughout the branch territory.

  we are pleased to inform you of some of these arrangements.. since the goal is to allow as many as possible the opportunity to benefit from this branch visit program, provision will be made to allow any kingdom hall properly equipped to receive the broadcast.

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  It's called Watchtower broadband high speed internet system, it upgrades with new light here and there. 1914 gb in it all.

  i have a feeling "new light" or something new will be introduced for this meeting. So better hold on and wait to see what we'll be hit with next!
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  Interview on YouTube with a former Bethelite who ended up homeless

  by RayPublisher in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is one of the most extraordinary interviews i've done on youtube to date and i'm not just saying that.. shawn "zen" dean shared his harrowing story with me of being raised in the jw "truth", going to watchtower farms and then getting his teaching degree only to end up homeless... lots of stories along the way, told with humor, sincerity and a heart full of love.. this is a tender-hearted guy that has had the ass-end of the stick his whole life... that's "the truth"!.

  http://youtu.be/ub1wx3yarf8.

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  Is there a part 2? It was a good experience to hear
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  Embarrassed by Aggressive Apostates

  by ShempLives in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  xjw protests & videos.

  .. i am disturbed by some of the more aggressive apostates posting videos on youtube,like "a jw memorial to remember" where a drunk man goes to a memorial and downs the whole glass of wine as a sort of protest.

  this video and others like it received positive comments from aawa members.

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  I can understand how they are hurt and all, many have been and still are but acting out all crazy and doing rash actions is not an answer- it makes things worse. The problem is that it makes the Watchtower look right, as if all apostates are crazy. When a Jw sees this they automatically think and agree this person is "mentally diseased" and all other apostates who dont act like this get swept up and generalized into one package. It's really counterproductive for all who want to help JWs. Plus, think about the outside people, what would they think if they saw one person acting drastic and crazy, and JWs all calm and quiet? That makes them look good. I wouldn't want to be around someone acting crazy.
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  Rumor: New light comes from outside marketing consultants

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is a rumor i heard back in november, it comes to me third or fourth-hand.

  feel free to poke holes.

  i have many doubts about this myself.

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  The outisde marketing and psychologist sounds more like a consporacy theory to me, but I would say they do hold a "marketing" mentality with all these changes. Just a few days ago, my mother told me that when her Field Service group met, the Elder taking the lead read a Kingdom ministry from last year, saying that the focus has been moved more from preaching door to door, to public places because more people are being found outside than at home.

  To change the Blood doctrine and 1914 within short periods of time is way too heavy. It's like their two signature doctrines. If one were to change, the other would need to happen much after.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Believe in Evolution (of Doctrines that is)

  by konceptual99 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been having some interesting low level conversaions with people i know about various aspects of jw dogma that touch on the controversial to gauge reactions.. one conversation has been about evolution and that jws do accept evolution to a certain degree since it is the only way to explain the variation in life we see now since the flood supposedly wiped the slate clean 4000 years ago.

  this has lead to some interesting blank, slightly confounded faces but i've then gone one step further about the evolution of doctrine.. so for example, i've had conversations about the fact that we (the royal "we" that is) have always had the but truth doctrine has evolved.

  i have used the example of how russell believed that jesus was present in 1874 and 1914 would see essentially a rapture before the world ended.

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  I've thought about something similar before. I always noticed how things just naturally evolve- like out clothes, style, cars, music, knowledge, mentality; and you can see it throughout human history. I asked myself, isn't this possible in nature too? I haven't studied evolution enough to know all the facts, but it's just something. I noticed. I do know that certain evolutionary concepts are taught to explain different races and variations of animals (ex. seperation of gene pools).
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  We are seeing JW history in the making

  by suavojr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with all the current changes and downsizing, the 1914 "anchor date" appears to be drifting out to sea.

  yes, i know the gb is putting all of their chips on 1914 but if you stop and think about it for a moment.. we are seeing jw history in the making for the next jw generation of 2114.. first they teach a date as significant.second, when it becomes obsolete, they come up with a convoluted explanation of how it really was significant, just not in the way "some believers" once taught.third, it becomes a historical footnote, as in: "bible students at one time thought... but now we see... evidently... .

  the next generation of jws (100 years from today) will be talking about 2014 as the year of great expectation, and how close the end is in 2114. yes, when jesus spoke about this generation evidently he was talking in a symbolic way, and he was truly referring to the generation class.. .

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  The only way the Watchtower is going to survive is by adapting to the new generation and making big changes. If it does live on for 100 years more, it will look different than what it is today. We live in the Information Age and each day it is easier to record information for future generations. One big problem with the Watchtower is time. They've limited their time so much in the past that their predictions (or prophecies) have failed and they're forced to change.

  As for 1914, I can only see this doctrine abandoned far into the future. Slowly being insignificant. There's so much invested into that one date that to undo the damage is going to take a loooong time. Not to point out how this would prove opposers right and them wrong. Only time can tell what will happen...
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  My Elderette is returning today to CONDUCT another conversation...

  by Faithful Witness in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  she has had 42 years of training and indoctrination.

  i'm feeling sort of nervous, but also looking forward to it.

  this will be our second scheduled session together, and we never did agree on a topic.. i'm assuming she will come with an agenda and another prepared presentation.

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  Good luck! You should record these experiences to learn from. she probably suspects you know more than the average bible study and been doing your research. Don't give out too much information or else she'll run the other way, unless that's what you're looking for.