Hmmm!
Well trained in the Jedi er Dub arts of misdirection I see.
I'll end this with simply, people will believe what they want to believe no matter what.
Frank75
nwt scriptures: john 20:28-29 .
28 in answer thomas said to him: my lord and my god!
29 jesus said to him: because you have seen me have you believed?
Hmmm!
Well trained in the Jedi er Dub arts of misdirection I see.
I'll end this with simply, people will believe what they want to believe no matter what.
Frank75
nwt scriptures: john 20:28-29 .
28 in answer thomas said to him: my lord and my god!
29 jesus said to him: because you have seen me have you believed?
Heathen:
I take it then that you are passing on the John 2:19 problem.
Fair enough. I am not promoting one view or the other, just casting a light on flaws in both arguments. In the end it is not important who did what. IMHO
Frank75
i used to enjoy do paul illingsworth's talks.
he thought he was a greek scholar.. anyone that you liked (or didn't)?.
I was a kid: Brother Rosem
Mary:
I remember him too. Eugene was his name. Never had him as a CO though. In fact I don't really remember CO visits before 1975. Not that we didn't have them, I just don't remember. I was born in '62.
The first one I recall was ? (Br) Vincent. He was animated and dynamic. There was an old TV actor that reminded me of him or or vice versa, but I can't remember his name.
One day after I meet you in person, I would love to meet your sister to compare notes on this gigantic A-hole of a man.
Frank75
i used to enjoy do paul illingsworth's talks.
he thought he was a greek scholar.. anyone that you liked (or didn't)?.
He was probably comped on many vacations. People in my congo were always handing him stuffed envelopes. And I know a brother that loved giving him technology gifts
That is how you got assigned parts on the assembly or in the dramas. "Holy Spirit at work brothers!"
Frank75
i used to enjoy do paul illingsworth's talks.
he thought he was a greek scholar.. anyone that you liked (or didn't)?.
Had lots of friends who were CO's. Jack Danly was a fire and brimstoner from West Virginia. Had to love that accent. He was really a pussy cat in person. Died 3 or 4 years back.
There was nice couple in the circuit work, Hartmut and Claudia Kutchki. They were German, and he spoke with a thick bavarian accent I would say. Was fun to see Germans go up to them and start talking in German, and he would say, "You know vee aire in Kanada now and vee speak English here, yeah?" Very kind and loving. We tried looking them up later and have no idea what happened to them. Hope they figured it out and left!
Dick and Gay Toes, very nice couple. A Frenchman DO named Crepo (Craypoe) who was nice as well. Elders and CO's hated him.
There was also a couple in the Italian circuit who also served the Spanish at times. Barboro or Bavaro. We went out to dinner a couple of times and he was down to earth, as well as his wife and they were both free thinkers.
Things were different in the language groups of the dubs. There was always a threat of being dissolved or combined with another same language group if the numbers dwindled too much. As a result the dynamic at times was very tolerant. Then the society started moving English tyrants in to make changes. You could get away with just about anything in Spanish, Portuguese, Greek and Italian congregations and groups!
Assholes?
Dave Gannon, Lawrence Thompson, Gary Willachuck, Jack Zwicker (the ass kicker, publisher asses of course). Dave Gannon was an outright wicked and evil man. Anyone who has crossed swords with him knows what I mean. If there was ever two people who could suck the joy and life out of a congregation or circuit it was Gannon and Zwicker. Willachuck was just a two faced prick. Thompson was a nice enough guy but fancied himself a medler in peoples affairs and so screwed lots of things up.
Frank75
OK Cigar stinkers!
I just got back the other day and have had a chance to puff on a Trinidad Colonial. It is a strong edition of the Cuban style, not too acidic on the throat, good draw and not an overwhelming amount of smoke.
It seems I will need to wait for the Trinidad maduro. The Cubans have been slow to react to the maduro trend, but they have produced some nicely aged special editions. A few I purchased for later are Cohiba LE Sublime (good and fat) 2004 edicion limitada, Bolivar Royal Coronas and Partagas Serie D No 4.
The dealer I met had a 3 pack sampler of the Trinidad maduros soon to hit the market. No matter how much I begged he would not part with any of them.
Here is a review that matched my experience with the Coloniales:
Review #43: From presentation to construction, this cigar is pure class. The moment you light up you know that you're in for a treat. If you like chocolate and vanilla with a tinge of spice, this cigar will deliver in spades. Smooth, consistent with perfect burn. Drink something light, don't rush your draw and you'll enjoy its subtle flavors. - Submitted by
I definitely got the chocolate, no vanilla but more a creamy mocha flavor. The smell of the tobacco before lighting up was almost minty, wrapper felt great to the touch too. That is the art of storing them well at the cigar shop and then when you bring it home unless you smoke right away.
Toward the end my mouth was filled with the taste of nuts, walnut predominantly but there was just a nice nutty taste to the experience. Combined it was like Nuttella. At times there was a honey like sweetness to the smoke which gave an overall taste of a Tobleron bar. Burn was nice although I got talking and it went out on me a couple of times. The lesson? Shut up and enjoy the moment which can last a good 45-50 minutes! In the air the dispersed odor was a spice fragrance that was pleasing to those with me at the time. I am going to let the rest age which should bring about an even better melding of these flavors.
Enjoy!
Frank75
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i didn't bother to answer.
it's probably because i told my ex last week that i will personally sue the individual elders if they meet with my daughter again to counsel her without my parental consent.
we have joint custody and that means they need joint parental consent to counsel a minor.. i am filing for sole custody of our 12 year old daughter and will be serving him with the legal paperwork next week.
in my quest to find out the truth would you tell me where i can find a copy of this school brochure, thanks
Munkafats:
You could just ask that Witness couple who is "studying" with you for the brochure. Couldn't you?
Frank75
hello guys, mr. flipper here.
here's the deal, i'll try to be brief, hard for me.
mrs. flipper and i got married last october, but before that one month before,my 18 year old daughter, her mom, my ex from 1998 and her husband came incognito one sat.
What do you think of some suggestions I've had on this thread if after I'm dfed to call the circuit overseer or district overseer and say I've been falsely accused and dfed, slandered by my ex-wife, it's given my non believing wife an incredibly bad example of the witness organization, and a travesty of justice has occured here. I don't know what this will accomplish but it will show my 80 year old witness parents I'm fighting the false allegations and I've been screwed over by the elders.
Mr Flipper:
This may work, but instead of the CO go over his head to the Service desk. There is another final appeal, although they will not call it so as the KS books says,
there is no further right to appeal. However, if an individual persists in believing a serious error in judgment has occurred, the appeal committee should inform him that he may submit his allegations in writing to the appeal committee within seven days for transmittal to the branch office.
It says to do it in "writing" but my brother called the service desk when his appeal committee upheld the DF decision and he actually was able to hinder the announcing of his DF'ing. The man said, "we will look into it and let you know". He said there will be no announcement until we have done so and are satisfied".
Remember, they do not call it AN APPEAL because as it says "there is no further right" to one. It is the "However" statement you must focus on. It is the only thing these legalists recognize. So just say, "I wish to have someone look into my case as I believe, "a serious error in judgement has occurred" and state the reasons. Stick to the facts, like not two witnesses, circumstantial, logical explanation for why you were there etc. Only add the stumbling of you wife as a final consequence as a result of the injustice. Not the main reason!
No guarantees, but it seemed to work for him.
Sure the elders have whispered into peoples ears that he is essentially df'd, but there has been no official announcement. Every elder and many dubs know that a person isn't officially df'd until the announcement is made "from the platform". Likewise, a person is not reinstated until it is announced. As a result, some have chosen not to shun him because they are in the end legalists too. He can also tell people who ask his "status" that he is unsure because the Society was looking into his allegations of abuse by the committee and there isn't an announcement as of yet.
Good luck
Frank75
hello guys, mr. flipper here.
here's the deal, i'll try to be brief, hard for me.
mrs. flipper and i got married last october, but before that one month before,my 18 year old daughter, her mom, my ex from 1998 and her husband came incognito one sat.
Doggone it, Frank 75....how did you know? Now we're busted for sure. mrs flipper
Well, its what I would've been doing!
Especially with that "cat" of yours......just gorgeous!
Frank75
i received this in an email, loved it and thought i'd share with you:.
life is short, break the rules, forgive quickly, kiss slowly, .
love truly, laugh uncontrollably, and never regret anything that made you .
Thanks BB!
Frank75