Posts by lawrence

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The Judicial Committee

by minimus in

jw
friends

have you ever been called before one?

were you ever on one?

what happened???

God is editor of the WT

by Earnest in

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friends

in an earlier thread reference was made to a court case in which fred franz stated that jehovah god was editor of the "watch tower".

as this quotation is often used to support the allegation that jws believe the wt is inspired of god i thought it would be of wider interest to provide the relevant court record for general consideration.. the court case itself was in 1940 and was olin moyle against fred franz and others and the wtbts.

just so that you know who is who, hayden covington was attorney for the defendants and walter bruchhausen was attorney for the plaintiff.

lawrence

Gary-

You're so right - "a management nightmare." It's as if one had a company and made a call to H.R. to fire a director; unfortunately the H.R. Dept. was let go yesterday. "What are we going to do? Dah!"

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God is editor of the WT

by Earnest in

jw
friends

in an earlier thread reference was made to a court case in which fred franz stated that jehovah god was editor of the "watch tower".

as this quotation is often used to support the allegation that jws believe the wt is inspired of god i thought it would be of wider interest to provide the relevant court record for general consideration.. the court case itself was in 1940 and was olin moyle against fred franz and others and the wtbts.

just so that you know who is who, hayden covington was attorney for the defendants and walter bruchhausen was attorney for the plaintiff.

lawrence

Earnest-

That blind S.O.B. Freddie Franz should rot in hell for ever, the false prophet and Anti-Christ he was - he denied generations of Christians a relationship with Jesus Christ and was honored for being a bum and a protector of drunks and sodomites. You can hang with the "dead ones" and do your time, but remember one thing - when you're doing time, time is doing YOU!

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Suicide Update 8-31-04 and How You Can Help

by Corvin in

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friends

i have been very busy, but i am getting some sleep compliments of my doctor?s coolness.

mary and i went to see nancy?s doctor for a long chat in which i went into a lot of detail regarding nancy?s indoctrination, her engrained fears and beliefs about, god, the bible, people and life, and how they relate to the culmination of this suicide attempt.

i explained what being labeled "bad association" meant to her and how devastating the prospect and reality of shunning is .

lawrence

Corvin-

None of us have a clue about Him - that's called faith. May the Creator bless you and your family. I too have found someone that has helped to erase hell. Peace, love, and blessings to you and your family.

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Do you have "cold sweats"?

by onacruse in

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over the last 2 years, especially early on, as i was "forced" to finally face the facts about my life-long religion, i had many a nightmare, waking up in a cold sweat, fearing that i'd lost my hope for everlasting life, fearing that armageddon was just around the corner, wondering if i'd made the right decisions.. perhaps the worst of all was walking away from the bible, insofar as it being carte blanche "word of god.

" then, of course, comes along the idea of the ransom, etc...'reject jesus, and you've rejected life.'.

i'd be lying to say that, even now, i don't still have some little nigglings that make me wonder.. however, the days of the "cold sweat" are long gone.. you?.

lawrence

For about 5 years after leaving I had nightmares, cold sweats, would scream out in the night, dreaming that I was locked outside the hall, etc. Living in the woods of Hawaii and N.H. for a while ended the dreams about them. I became ambivalent and disinterested, but finding these boards a few years ago made me remember all I tried to block out, and yes! I became interested and angry once again.

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MS WILDFIRE NEEDS SOME LOVE AND CONCERN ,,,,,,,PLEASE

by wildfire in

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i really can understand the meaning of hate now........ i truley hate what the cult of the watchtower has done to me and my family.... my son was diagnosed with schizophrenia at the age of 20,,,,(his uncle on his dads side also had the disease around that time ))) as some of you know he ended up in jail and a prison term because of things he did while in his schizophrenic state....all the while he was disassociated from the witnesses ,,,so he received no help from the loving elder body ( of vipers)....even when he was in jail,, an elder came to study with the lost ones... and because he knew of my sons situation would not allow him to comment at the prison study.....

but he goes faithfully and sits by himself in his tattered clothes in the back....as we all know the drill....some how he gets back in.... i am devastated..as i have 3 children who never will go back because of their sadistic ,, annointed father and stepfather......who molested his own daughter.....( another horrible story)l its hard for me to write ,,, i hope you will put up with me ,, those of you who know me and even those who dont...this is my therapy... i must write it out....well as it goes he is not welcomed back.. its all for show,,,he cant stop smoking....and so he goes off his meds and is living in the streets...with no help or support from the brothers ,,,a term i use very loosely....he missed the district convention,, because no one could find him and then ......they find him to corner him like a rat (knowing fullwell of his mental condition ) and they disfellowship him......the anger and rage that i feel...is uncontrollable at times......i hate ,, i hate ,,,, i hate so much of what they did to me and sooo many other ss ......forgive me ....this freaking cult needs to be destroyed... once and for all,,, and i will not rest until i rescue my last child from its grip.......( i have one daughter whos 18 that is still in)))) i am cryingso hard now its hard to type,,thank you for hearing my story,,, its just a very small part of what me and my family have been thru ...thanks for listening and peace to you my dear friends...

lawrence

Yes, this cult needs to be destroyed! My prayers are with you and your family.

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WT blames failed prophecy on followers

by ezekiel3 in

i have posted this under ?scandals?

because i think it demonstrates the slick cover up over failed jw teachings.

read closely to see the wt actually blames the r&f for failed prophecies: .

lawrence

I think I now know why he "delayed the End." It was to ensure Barry Bonds would have a chance to break Hank Aaron's homerun record - dang, what happens if the league bans steroids? Okay, back to the drawing board.

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If You Could Say One Last Thing Before You Die

by dh in

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friends

what words would you choose to be immortalised by?

lawrence

You got to lose yourself, to find yourself;

You got to die, to be born again.

Let the good times roll.

(from a tune I wrote, 'Crescent Moon Night')

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Whoa!! Can you spot YOURS TRULY? (and more importantly....

by sf in

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friends

....who put him here, and why?).

check the entire site (gallery) out, if you aren't to full [ http://www.ethericfire.com/pictures/?path=./other/ ]:.

http://www.ethericfire.com/pictures/?path=./other/&page=0&img=a%20reptoid%20look.jpg.

lawrence

Wild to see Russell, Osama, and Michael Jackson on the same page. Reptoid repellant might work in New York City this weekend. You think?

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I am the PURSER! Follow Me or You Will Die!

by Farkel in

most informed ex-dubs are familiar with the november 1954 douglas walsh v. the right honorable james latham case.

some of you newer ex-dubs may not be.

each time i read the following excerpt of the court questioning hayden covington (the society's chief lawyer) it still chills me to the bone.

lawrence

Farkel-

Damn! I wish I had seen this years ago, as Gopher said, I rememeber the booklet discussing all the court victories of Covington, but this is really the BOTTOM LINE in very plain language. Our way or the highway. Thanks.