Posts by Gentledawn

Also, degrees of pornia? Since when, Watchtower Leadership? Sheesh. How biblical. Not. Oh, and there's a follow-up letter dated April of that same year which details pornia even more, if mem serves. Bunch of toad-sucking, infantile, hypocritical... grrr. Could go on, but don't wanna spook away any lurkers.

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Liar, liar your pants are on fire...

by new hope and happiness in

i remember as kids we would say " liar, liar your pants are on fire" and they wern't were they.

so that in itself was a lie.. but is lying always so bad?

i mean for example at an art class as a kid when i had to commented someones work, rather than be nasty, at a picture which was terrible and traced as well !

Gentledawn

Calling it "the truth" is no accidental language/terminology.

Here is some interesting science (Stroop Effect):

http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/words.html

"Colors, Colors

The famous "Stroop Effect" is named after J. Ridley Stroop who discovered this strange phenomenon in the 1930s. Here is your job: name the colors of the following words. Do NOT read the words...rather, say the color of the words. For example, if the word "BLUE" is printed in a red color, you should say "RED". Say the colors as fast as you can. It is not as easy as you might think!"

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When "the truth" is mostly a LIE, but you repeatedly call the entire conglomeration a "truth"... then that is part of a mind control device, imo.

jhine wrote:

Someone must know that this is a cult because the whole way it is run and the members manipulated means that there is some clever thinking behind the practical organisation of it. Some dotty old men who really believe would not know about mind control techniques (which someone clearly does ) . The crafty way the members are tricked into policing each other and the scare tactics used show real thought behind the scenes somewhere .

Jan

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/280851/1/How-is-the-org-really-run-What-goes-on-behind-the-scenes#5032430

The leadership use mind control/brainwashing/coersive persuasion techniques on purpose. It's not by accident that they are structured the way they are, with persuasive talks designed to move the listener, not only to act, but mostly to AGREE. Once they find themselves agreeing even to the simplest notion, then they are invested. The trap has snapped shut. They will do what the speaker has 'suggested' in the third part of the structured "talk".

• Yes set: get the listener to agree with an idea.
• Truism: "facts" that are otherwise debatable, tossed out there as plausible truthiness. "Evidentally". "It is apparent". "Picture in your mind: tears of joy rolling down their faces", when nothing like that is said in the scriptures. And so on.
• Suggestion: the solution that may or may not have anything to do with really resolving anything spoken about previously. Sign over property. Give a kiss. Go door-to-door. Say a prayer. Roll in the aisles. Throw money at the speaker. Wear his brand of tee shirts. Whatever.

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Jehovah's Witnesses destroyed documents showing child abuse allegations against church elder

by burnedout in

mark sewell convicted of eight historic sex charges, including rape.

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i can not copy the link, but go to walesonline.co.uk.

Gentledawn

This story (walesonline article) is now on the front page of Reddit and is the topmost post.

http://i61.tinypic.com/20axvsz.jpg

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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals

by cofty in

my thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.

this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.

it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.

Gentledawn

I have no quarrel with anyone, focus. You can post all you like (as long as the rules/website owner allows). But I'm not gonna participate in any of your nonsense. I've had my fill of sociopaths/psychopaths to last a lifetime.

You know who else made large lists and dictionary-esque entries? This guy:

http://el.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Gumba+Gumba

(looks like all of his entries were pulled down from the English version..? And only 900-ish are visible on this Greek version)

There used to be 1500-2500 dictionary entries made by that young man (think he was 15-16yo when he made most of em).

What happened to him, you might ask? More like what happened to her, when he crossed her path in real life:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2007/06/28/uk-britain-nurse-idUKL2889553820070628

I was acquainted with the kid long before any of that shit happened. The news of what he'd done came as a mega-shock to hundreds of people on a few web forums, one of which I used to frequent, too.

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Regarding the Mark Sewell conviction and all the boobery the elders/watchtower leadership pulled/trying to pull:

There are a lot of articles and websites posting up their own take(s). JWSurvey has an article about the Mark Sewell story now. /r/exjw on Reddit has a mention/discussion going on, too. Even BBC has an article.

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Jehovah's Witnesses destroyed documents showing child abuse allegations against church elder

by burnedout in

mark sewell convicted of eight historic sex charges, including rape.

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i can not copy the link, but go to walesonline.co.uk.

Gentledawn

Hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.

The whole elder body (except one) opposed the legal system. During the actual judicial committees:

"'There were 12 elders and not one of them stood up – not one': Victim of Jehovah's Witness rapist describes torment"

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovahs-witness-mark-sewell-jailed-7339113

Are they (the courts, police, etc) the "superior authorities" or not? What a gaggle of liars the leadership are, because every elder body is directed to contact the branch and/or legal department in cases like this.

This story is a BIG deal. My husband is in muted, horrified shock.

... well, he was for a few minutes at least. But then his cult personality kicked in and he's talking like it's an isolated incident or one-off situation.

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Kate Wild

by quellycatface in

jw
friends

i've been given permission to post news of our friend.. kate hasn't been very well.

not well at all.

i think much of it has been a delayed reaction to her df'ing, the general fallout when leaving the wtbs and family issues.. i just wanted to give you guys the heads up and give you a chance to show how much we care about her.. thanks for listening..

Gentledawn

Hang in there.

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6th Sense.

by quellycatface in

jw
friends

do you believe it exists?.

when you get "a hunch", do you ignore or listen to it?

?.

Gentledawn

Magic beans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8KvrhP1DtE

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Watchtower 1974 says Jehovah will destroy and disfellowship FAT brothers!!! Half my Cong.

by Witness 007 in

bethel writer see's a fatty bethelite take the last bread roll at lunch...should he vent his feelings thru jehovahs holy watchtower magazine...why not!!.

watchtower 1974p.167 "...by over indulging in food....he fails to show love for jehovah god...is food a big thing in his life?

does he selfishly ignore others needs and take more then his share?

Gentledawn

Yay. More mind control.

Like what was said in the "June 1st watchtower" thread (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/281165/1/June-1st-Watchtower-for-the-public), how do they (watchtower leaders and writers) come to their conclusions?

Besides, if anyone who lives in America actually takes the time to read the ingredients on the side of a bag of hotdog or hamburger buns, they'll notice that nearly every goddamned brand today is packing high-fructose corn syrup into what should be a bread-only thing! Fucking buns are not meant to be a sweet cake or danish, ffs.

It's being done to make us all fat and dull of mind, imo. Otherwise, why add it?

I buy from a local bakery that does not add high-fructose corn syrup into any of their bread buns. Thank goodness there is one available.

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June 1st Watchtower for the public

by Lynnie in

one of my smart ass friends gave me the public copy of the watchtower for june 1st, 2014 and the main article.

is about "god's view on smoking.

" okay it goes on and on about how we need to keep our body "clean" and.

Gentledawn

A lot of 'contaminated' foods, too:

GMOs (genetically modified organisms), cloning, hormones (makes chicken breasts larger and cows produce more milk, amongst other reasons for use), etc etc in the USA. S. Korea and a lot of other Asian allies refuse to import US beef (not 100% sure off the top of my head, but I think rice might be included in the ban). Europe also has a ban on importing US beef, but not sure if it's due to genetic shit or mad cow disease. Many countries in Europe will not import our grains. If memory serves, Mexico has banned certain veggie imports from the US, too.

OTOH, Dow chemical and other companies in Europe create and distribute pesticides for import to the USA, all/most of which are banned for use in many Europian nations. Colony Collapse Disorder (bee hive collapse/deaths) was determined to be directly linked to the use of neonicotinoid pesticides (derived from nicotine). What about use in the USA? Nope. We use em.

The White house restricts where its food comes from, relying on in-house grown veggies. IMO, that speaks volumes.

The gov body knows jack shit about what harms a person, and could care less about anything except total control of the minds of their money-donors. Sign over your money and properties before you croak "in this system" o' t'ings. Ya know.. because you didn't just squander the only non-refundable thing a person truly has: TIME.

A lifetime wasted funding those brooklyn charlatans is the biggest drag on any person's health. Fuck each and every one of those bastards with a pinecone. To your health, ya bitches.

edit: just to be clear why I went on about other hazardous crap: why doesn't watchtower tell its followers to avoid other so-called health hazards?

Answer: mind control. To make themselves appear as holy and omniscient.