Posts by reaper

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denying that I was baptized seems to have worked!

by mkr32208 in

a few weeks ago i was told that i would be having a jc on such and such a date... i declined to attend but send a note via my mother that said;.

as i was never baptized you need to leave me alone.

baptized persons who have not associated for some time.

reaper

The fact the WT Society did not even exist way back in Jesus day, seems to have escaped the numbskulls attention.

If anyone left JESUS they left the TRUTH, not Christians who leave a lying Satanic Cult.

And when Paul spoke about NOT EVEN EATING WITH SUCH A MAN, he was talking about NOT partaking of the bread and wine at communion.

They twist EVERYTHING that evil religion.

And Paul was talking about people who practiced SIN not entering anothers house, NOT A PERSON WHO has seen the lies and deceipt of an Organisation that tries to put itself in the place of Jesus as the Mediator between the Other Sheep and the Almighty God.

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Babilonian captivity VS Jerusalem destruction

by Shazard in

read ezekiel 40:1 in the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth of the month, in the fourteenth year after the fall of the cityon that very day the hand of the lord was upon me and he took me there.

--- one verse showing that babilonian captivity is not the same as jerusalem destruction.

ofcourse if we start to count the 70 years from babilonian invasion into whole region (jeremia is talking about whole region not only jersualem and even not only judea)

reaper

Yes and CELEBRATED BY WHOM? I don't think any serious scholars take them seriously at all. The problem when we were in the 'deception' we were brainwashed into thinking that those people really were experts.

But when I was on my first 2 week Elders training school way back in 1976, our instructor told us that contrary to 'popular' belief within the organisation, the Governing Body which included Fred Franz in those days, DID NOT CONSULT some kind of ORACLE for Divine Revelation. So where did it all come from? The instructor told us that the Worldwide Brotherhood keep writing in about various understandings, and if enough write in about the same thing, they deem it as being a sign of Jehovah's 'nudging' of the Governing Body into the direction of the magority.

He also said that the COs report back ' weaknesses' in Congregations and then they write an article in the WT about it, and all the members think it is Food at the proper time. Its all a great big sham.

I always had a different feeling about the Society after that. And when Elders or others would say, Oh what a wonderful Watchtower that was, I would think what on earth are they on about?

The WTs were all a load of comlex sounding drivel, that hardly anyone would dare to question it, as it was from the 'elite faithful and discreet slave class'

Nothing was ever from Jesus our King, it was always the F&DS, who was supposed to be appointed by the Master himself. And that is how I know it IS NOT FROM OUR GOD BUT FROM THE god OF THIS WORLD.

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Babilonian captivity VS Jerusalem destruction

by Shazard in

read ezekiel 40:1 in the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth of the month, in the fourteenth year after the fall of the cityon that very day the hand of the lord was upon me and he took me there.

--- one verse showing that babilonian captivity is not the same as jerusalem destruction.

ofcourse if we start to count the 70 years from babilonian invasion into whole region (jeremia is talking about whole region not only jersualem and even not only judea)

reaper

Humble and Wise Servants who wisely interpreted 1914, ARE YOU JOKING? Those are the very men who Rutherfraud kicked out of his organisation and were then classed as EVIL SLAVE. In fact if anyone believed the stuff that was writen by those Faithful & Wise Servants today, they would be kicked out of the modern WT Society. Are you aware that there are still groups of faithful people today who still teach Russells stuff? One group are called the DAWN BIBLE STUDENTS and are based in the US somewhere, and I got in touch with them soon after I left the corrupt real EVIL SLAVE, the MODERN WT SOCIETY. I learnt a lot about Rutherfraud from the Dawn Bible Students. He was nothing but a Dictator and there were a lot of those about in those days.

When did Jesus take up his 'invisible' Kingly rulership, was it 1874 like the 'Faithful & Wise Servant' Russell claimed, or was it 1914, 1915 or later 1918?

Jesus Christs KINGSHIP started when he sent the Comforter to his disciples gathered in the Upper Room and filled them with the Holy Spirit. Jesus has been with his people ever since. But you would not know about that, as you refuse to accept Jesus Christ as your Mediator, and allow the Holy Spirit to work in your life. You are totally bamboozled by a wicked and pharisaical cult.

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Why do churches still make me panic ?

by Aiesha Harley in

jw
friends

i'm really glad i've found this site a week ago.

reading some of the stories and comments on here has really helped.

there are so many out there who's lives have been ruined by the so-called truth.. i was brought up in the truth as an elders daughter, youngest of 5, a brother and sister had been disfellowshiped, other brother had left as a teenager and my other sister is still sitting on the fence aged 40 going on 15, if she'd made a decision instead of sitting on the fence i'm convinced she wouldn't be the alcoholic mess she is today!

reaper

Welcome James, Our Church was built in the 1800s by Ukrainian Catholics and one of our Guys was actually baptised in the Church when he was a baby, as his Dad was Ukrainian. He is now a Born Again Christian. The Church is not that big, but holds about 200 people. However when we get bigger we may have to rent a big unit on an industrial park, as thats what a lot of modern Churches do.

We started to realise that something was resonating with us when we went to Rome in 1997 and visited the catacombes under the Church of Saint Sebastian. We noticed the Christian fish carved into the walls of that catacombes and it made us wonder about the fish sign seen on many cars etc.

It took a while for us to get our of the borg, but the Lord was patient and kind with us. We started visiting other Churches after looking around St Peters Church in the Vatican, and gradually I would offer up prayers in a quite area myself. I even lit candles as a way of offering up a prayer.

However we do not see Jesus Christ being worshipped properly in many of those places. Many of the Cathederals have become business enterprises, such as Lincoln and York. In Lincoln they even sell statues of IMPS which are like little Demons.

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Babilonian captivity VS Jerusalem destruction

by Shazard in

read ezekiel 40:1 in the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth of the month, in the fourteenth year after the fall of the cityon that very day the hand of the lord was upon me and he took me there.

--- one verse showing that babilonian captivity is not the same as jerusalem destruction.

ofcourse if we start to count the 70 years from babilonian invasion into whole region (jeremia is talking about whole region not only jersualem and even not only judea)

reaper

For many years the WT used the year 1914 as the beginning of the time of the end, as I preached around doors for many years. When my wife and I were Kids we told people they would be THE GENERATION who would see the end of this system, and it was ALL based on the year 1914 as being the beginning of the end times.

We would tell Bible Studies that Satan was caste down to the Earth in that year. But now that we read the Bible through our OWN eyes and not the distorted WT eyes, we can see quite clearly that Satan was already the ruler of the Earth even in Pauls day, and that is why he said the WHOLE WORLD IS LYING IN THE POWER OF THE WICKED ONE. Satan took over rulership of this Earth when Adam sinned and gave permission to Satan take authority over this planet.

That is why other scriptures speak of the ruler of the AIR, and that Satan is the god of this system of things.

However I do not agree that Daniels prophecies were only for his time. He spoke about the Kings to come, which included Greece and Rome.

Many Christians in the 1800 knew about the 2520 years, and it was not Russell or Barbours invention. A Guy called Aquilla Brown first worked out the count of times, and that is what Dr Gratten Guiness based his work on.

The problem with the WT Society is that they claim to have the truth and nothing but the truth, but when they are proven to be wrong, they DO NOT APOLOGISE and blame it on the rank & file for misunderstanding what they meant.

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Babilonian captivity VS Jerusalem destruction

by Shazard in

read ezekiel 40:1 in the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth of the month, in the fourteenth year after the fall of the cityon that very day the hand of the lord was upon me and he took me there.

--- one verse showing that babilonian captivity is not the same as jerusalem destruction.

ofcourse if we start to count the 70 years from babilonian invasion into whole region (jeremia is talking about whole region not only jersualem and even not only judea)

reaper

I know all about your WT nonsense, but ALL the prophecies refer to literal Jerusalem. Check the FACTS about 1917, they make far more sense than Russells non existant heavenly rapture in 1914, about all of the other stuff the Society keeps pumping out. NO secular authority will agree with the WT dates of Jerusalems destruction.

1917 fits the prophecy to a T. Check it out if want to be enlightened from the WT deception.

A brilliant web site lists the whole account of 1917 and since. Type in Dr Gratten Guiness, and the site is new covenant ministries.

I have tried to copy and paste the article, but I do not sem to be able to copy and paste anything onto this forum. When I right click, nothing happens. I could have pasted the whole article, but it would not work.

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Babilonian captivity VS Jerusalem destruction

by Shazard in

read ezekiel 40:1 in the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth of the month, in the fourteenth year after the fall of the cityon that very day the hand of the lord was upon me and he took me there.

--- one verse showing that babilonian captivity is not the same as jerusalem destruction.

ofcourse if we start to count the 70 years from babilonian invasion into whole region (jeremia is talking about whole region not only jersualem and even not only judea)

reaper

Jehoiakim became King in 607 Bc as a vassel King of Pharaoh Necho.

604 Neb took over Jerusalem, and Jehoiakim was a servant for 3 years.

Beb lays seige to Jerusalem in 588

Temple destroyed in 586

70 years of desolation starts in 585.

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Babilonian captivity VS Jerusalem destruction

by Shazard in

read ezekiel 40:1 in the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth of the month, in the fourteenth year after the fall of the cityon that very day the hand of the lord was upon me and he took me there.

--- one verse showing that babilonian captivity is not the same as jerusalem destruction.

ofcourse if we start to count the 70 years from babilonian invasion into whole region (jeremia is talking about whole region not only jersualem and even not only judea)

reaper

The main issue here is that Jerusalem lost its last REAL King when Pharoh Necho placed a vassel King on the throne, which in effect ceased the line of Davidic kings. Nebuchadnezzar did not become King until 604 BC and soon afterwards took over the Egyptian empire which included Jerusalem. So 604 started the Gentile Times, and if you count 2520 years from that date you arrive at 1917 which was the very year General Allenby liberated Jerusalem. The year just happens to be the year 1335 in the Islamic calender as well, which is spoken of in Daniel 12 as 1335 days.

Another amazing thing that confirms this Biblical prophecy as being authentic is that Allenby in Turkish means PROPHET OF ALLAH, and the Turks were ordered to never surrender the City unless the 'prophet of Allah' came. Coincidence? I don't think so.

The Gentile Times are all about Jerusalem and not some kind of Spiritual Israel. The prophecies about 1917 were proclaimed by a Dr Gratten Guiness way back in the 1800s. It seems as if Russell hung is banner on the wrong post. He was a Zionist and should have gone along with Guiness instead of the Adventist Barbour. But he was also influenced by the Occultist Freemasons.

We are living in a very critical time of Biblical prophecy, but it is all to do with Israel and the revealing of the anti-Christ and then finally Yeshua the King coming back in Glory to gather his people together.

I have gleaned all of this from Christian sources, and was a contributory factor in our leaving the WT false prophets after 50 years.

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WTBTS has done there job to the fulliest!

by darth frosty in

okay now i will give you time to pick your jaw up off the floor while i explain what i mean.

i now belive that religion is just one of the many forms of control that the powers that be (hereafter refered to as 'tha man') use to control people and keep them under foot.

we know how the current administration uses the religious right to keep the electorate in line, but i also believe the wts serves tha man in the same way.

reaper

Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.

I was trapped in the WT clutches for 49 years, and my wife 52 years in it, so how do you think we felt after all that time wasted in it?

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Witnesses LOVE Christmas Lights!

by gumby in

i don't know how publishers in your neck of the woods veiws christmas lights......but all the ones i've been around since being born into this religion........loves to see all the lights.

we even used to get a map in the paper that showed where those lived with huge decorations and go see them.

some entire blocks would get together and do all their yards and we witnesses would drive around to see it all.

reaper

Gumby, I did not say we felt Yeshua actually IN the trees. What I said was, that we used to pray amongst the trees, and felt much closer to God than we ever did in the Kingdom Hall. We hugged the trees, because it helps Earth us. Much of the tree is in the Earth (Yin) and the other part reaches to the heavens (Yang) Its really magnetic energy, positive and negative, male and female, dark and light etc.,

The whole cosmos teaches me that their is design and creation, and that is what I ment by God being in ALL things. I was not saying I believed in Animist beliefs such as the Aboriginal Tribes and Native American Indians.

It was such a calm place that it helped us detox from the Cult and get closer to God.