Posts by baldeagle

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meeting with elders about WT involvement in UN

by LevelThePlayingField in

i still go to the meetings because of my in wife and it came about that the elders knew of my pissed off attitude about the society getting involved in the un.

so the elders said they could help me get over that and wanted to meet with me.

now just to let you know, i have only told my wife and her mom so far about it, that's it.

baldeagle

This meeting will not produce anything positive or beneficial for anyone. In fact you will clearly be on their radar and the elders may start to do some investigating of their own, asking others about you and snooping around. It’s not your job to enlighten them of anything you’ve discovered regarding the WT religion. You will be viewed as speaking in a disrespectful way about the illustrious GB who are never wrong and with trying to discredit the wisdom they receive from God.

We’ve all seen many YouTube videos about sincere JW’s discussing numerous subjects regarding WT lies, failed predictions, flip-flops, and on and on. The end result in every video is the same, asking the two loyalty questions regarding God’s earthly organization.....and those being used to oversee it. The end result from what I’ve seen is always disfellowshipping for either apostasy or causing divisions.

Don’t put yourself on a slippery slope; things can escalate out of control very quickly to your detriment.

JW’s that had held much higher and more prominent positions than you and I have been cast aside in a heartbeat.

You’ve been given great advice so far. Your meeting with these men will result in an accusation of you reading apostate sites and a stern warning, given at the very least.

Always remember the elders are not your family.....and most definitely are NOT your friends.

Tread carefully. All the very best.

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The governing body are digging their own grave.

by atomant in

surely the gb aren't naive enough to believe their own lies.what does it take for the majority of j dubs to wake up to themselves and finally realize that they are being robbed on all levels emotionally.financially,spiritually,intellectually and many other aspects of their day to day lives..

baldeagle

atomant: "Surely the GB aren't naive enough to believe their own lies. What does it take for the majority of j dubs to wake up to themselves and finally realize that they are being robbed on all levels emotionally, financially, spiritually, intellectually and many other aspects of their day to day lives."

The GB "so far" have being well insulated from anything monumentally scandalous against them. It seems to me that they are made out of Teflon at times....nothing seems to stick to them personally. The local elders look ridiculous and take all the negativity as seen by the Australian commission investigations.

The WTS seems to “dodge the bullet” in their pedophile cases either through continuous court appeals or by offering a direct cash settlement to the victims with a compulsory “gag order” on all the details. Nothing big really seems to stay in the headlines for long and it quickly disappears making very little impact on both JW’s and non-JW’s in the community.

I often wonder, what it will take to fully expose this devious religion once and for all? What will be that "watershed" moment that will be remembered as the one event that finally opened the "floodgates" and opened people’s eyes to it all?

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The UN Files - Print Out And Keep For Your Next JW Visitor

by pale.emperor in

i've been researching the wt and the un involvement.

when i was still in and i first seen the un letter online, my cognitive dissonance kicked and i told myself it'll be a fake.

an apostate lie.. and seeing as no jw i've spoken to has ever heard of it, and flatly deny any involvement "no, they wouldn't do that", i decided to do a little "personal study" of my own.

baldeagle

Great references, thanks.

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Governing Body Anthony Morris gives talk at convention. Child refuses blood dies

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yxw_wxyviu .

baldeagle

Many of us here have hoped for and imagined a time when the WT leadership would attempt to distance themselves from this death dealing doctrine. They tried to introduce some flexibility with it in the year 2000 when accepting blood fractions became a matter of personal decision and conscience.

Over the years we have speculated that a time would come when the GB would turn the entire subject over to being a personal matter. This would let individuals decide for themselves in whatever way their conscience moved them. It would put an end to the anguish families have to endure when a blood emergency occurs and also end the very negative publicity in the media that turns potential converts away.

My observations over recent years and comments printed in study articles clearly show that this scenario is not likely to happen at any time soon. On Friday afternoon of the 2016 convention the character Sergei is shown taking a stand and refusing blood for his operation.

It would seem that the leniency on blood has gone as far as it will go. Whole blood or its primary four components

(plasma, red cells, white cells, and platelets) are not becoming available in the foreseeable future.

Very sad indeed!!!

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Old Watchtower publications in improved format

by Watchtower-Free in

the website avoidjw.org has been working to improve all the older documents.

right now, all the zion's watch towers from 1880 - 1908 and the watch towers from 1909 to 1920 have been improved drastically.

i'm currently working on updating pdfs from 1921 to 1949. this updating will include the following features:1. reduced file sizes.2.

baldeagle

Amazing work and much appreciated. Thank you.

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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

by Simon in

judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

baldeagle

The WTS always seems to “dodge the bullet” in their pedophile cases either through continuous court appeals or by offering a direct cash settlement to the victims with a compulsory “gag order” on all the details. Nothing big really seems to stay in the headlines for long and it quickly disappears making very little impact on both JW’s and non-JW’s in the community.

As smiddy said, “They have thumbed their nose at the law (on numerous occasions) before and got away with it.”

I often wonder what it will take to fully expose this devious religion once and for all. What will be that watershed moment that will be remembered as the one event that finally opened the floodgates and opened people’s eyes to it all?

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Ever-changing teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses - probably the most comprehensive compendium about Watchtower doctrinal changes

by WTS Archive in

two days ago a new book was released for download, called "ever-changing teachings of jehovah's witnesses".

it was originally written by a polish jw scholar (who never was a jw himself) włodzimierz bednarski, with a help from szymon matusiak, who was a jw and an elder, and is a result of years of labourious work to compile quotes regarding every single doctrine the book describes.

it covers the most important changes in years 1879—2015.

baldeagle

Great references. Thank you much appreciated.

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The last video in the 2016 convention...

by problemaddict 2 in

...is an epic triumph is emotional manipulation.

bringing together all of the stories they told thus far and placing them int he "new world" complete with the little boy who was killed in a car accident coming back from the dead.. i have a good friend who is stuck in with family and plays the role.

he said everyone was crying, and the people next to him rated the videos by how many tissues they needed to dry their eyes.

baldeagle

This video is intentionally designed to invoke a positive response and create a strong personal emotional connection. Personally I think it’s brilliant, very alluring and selling expectation. Remember that many JW’s are forever hopeful……What if it does all happen in my lifetime? Do I want to give up now and miss out on paradise?

The WTS is “all in” with this digital age and are skilfully using the latest methods available to them. Just saying the end is coming soon……or just around the corner is so passé yes very old, WELL OVER 100 years old!!

Video with faith strengthening music is the new hook and dangling carrot. The loyal ones will eat this up and then be disappointed like the generations that went before them.

The video has got to be better than this. Even the lion looks sad!!!!

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RC Was Worse Than I thought...

by JW_Rogue in

i was visiting with my family and it seems the rc was worse than i thought.

now they all seem to think that "we are so close to the end" and that the "brothers are really preparing us for the gt".

some even saying that soon our message will change to a judgement message for mankind and talking about how we need to improve "everything we do".

baldeagle

These videos are strategically designed to invoke a response and create a strong personal emotional connection. Personally I think it’s brilliant, cultish yes, but still alluring and selling hope. Remember that many JW’s are forever optimistic……What if it all does happen in my lifetime? Do I want to give up now?

“bats in the belfry” mentioned: “The countless resolutions to whoever?”

Remember when conventions for years had several stirring and heart moving resolutions presented? I mention two below to refresh your memory.

April 1, 2002 WT p. 30 Stay Awake, Move Ahead Courageously!

“The hour is late for distressed mankind. Our present commission must be fulfilled before the final end comes. Therefore, we, as Jehovah’s Witnesses, resolve that:…… (A six-point resolution was presented) “All in attendance at this convention who favor the adoption of this resolution, please say AYE! When the concluding question of the resolution was put to the……a thunderous “Aye” was shouted in the many languages represented among the delegates.”

January 15, 2004 p. 25 Give God Glory Not Man

“The speaker presented a ten-point resolution for all in attendance to adopt. It centered on various ways that glory can be given to Jehovah, the Creator. A unanimous “Aye” traveled through all the conventions from one end of the earth to the other.”

Many of us remember all those bold and pompous resolutions that put the “wicked world” on notice and were adopted by the thousands gathered. The audience was in a trance like state as they feverishly applauded. On the drive home conversations indicated that the brothers/sisters were very much excited and enthusiastic about it…What could this all mean? And…We must be so close to the end now! etc.

But the next day was Monday and going to the same crappy unfulfilling low paying job. Or we were knocking on the same empty houses if pioneering. Midweek go to the same mind-numbing meeting. At the end of the month you had more bills than money. The assembly quickly slipped into the distant past and became irrelevant.

The WTS is so enamoured with this digital age and are cleverly using the latest methods available to them. Just saying the end is coming sooooon……or it’s just around the corner is so old, WELL OVER 100 years old!!

Video with faith strengthening music is the new hook and dangling carrot. The loyal ones will eat this up and then be disappointed like the generations that went before them.

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All 2016 Convention videos in English and all Talk outlines for download

by Watchtower-Free in

all convention videos in english and all talk outlines for download.

http://avoidjw.org/2016-regional-convention/

baldeagle

Awesome job your hard work is much appreciated.