Posts by Odrade

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Hello again, been a while...remember jwbot? Had a convo with my brother...

by msjessiemeghan in

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hey all.

i have not posted here for 2 years maybe?

i was formerly jwbot.

Odrade

HI! Nice to see you around here again for a minute. I'm glad things are going well with you. It seems like you are more amused than hurt about the stupid JW rules. Nice, isn't it?

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Why does being right = being arrogant?

by AlmostAtheist in

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what is it about a person's believing they are "right" that leads them to being arrogant?

you've surely noticed that the more sure a person is that he's right, the more likely he is to treat those that disagree with him with disrespect.

it's hard to see how a person can disagree with something that you know is right.

In addition to that, why is it when you're "discussing" something with someone like that, they'll come on with a bunch of ridiculous assertions and logical fallacies, toss in a little name calling and spurious personal accusations, then end it with: "Now everyone knows you have to get in the LAST WORD, so I fully expect to see you back here with your wordsmithing LAST WORD because you can't stand to see anything DROP. So I'm done with this. I'll let you have your LAST WORD." What. The. F#ck.

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The Need To Question Atheism

by The wanderer in

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the need to question atheism this need to question atheism stems from the fact there are some individuals.

on this board that subscribe to such.

the questions stated are not for some.

Odrade

LtCmdLore, I was going to send you a PM, but I changed my mind and would like to say it publicly: I'm quite impressed with the dignity you showed here, and your ability to express yourself logically, reasonably and without resorting to personal insults, even while you were repeatedly subjected to gross disrespect by Vinny. Vinny, you handled yourself like... well, a JW. It's too bad you didn't approach this discussion with the intellectual honesty you claim to have, instead resorting to repeatedly calling people "little" and laughing at them.

I suspect anyone who reads this thread will have respect for the "little" 17 y.o., who displayed so much class, whether they agree with him or not. Vinny, I suggest you do some reading on logical fallacies. Perhaps if you understand the concept, your "debating" might actually resemble a debate, where all participants are respected. I saw the other posters on this thread treating you with respect, but I saw zero respect in your replies to them. A shame really. There are many Christians and theists on this board who can participate in these discussions with reasonableness, respect, intelligence and class. Being the most insulting does not make you right, being the loudest does not make you right either. Being in the company of intelligent people does not necessarily guarantee you are either right or intelligent. It simply means you hold the same opinions. Remember the "moral majority?"

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Yesterday - felt baby move for first time outside of megan

by KW13 in

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megan and yes even me both felt the baby move for the first time outside of her, so it was my first time.

its really amazing, and we have the second scan on the 20th which is when we find out the sex unless its legs are crossed again.. .

Odrade

I gave a massage this week to a woman who is due in 8 weeks. When I started on the belly, she pushed her little head up into my hand, then flipped over and pushed up her bottom, then she rolled again and pushed out with her hands and feet. She kicked me too. Heehee! It's amazing, isn't it?

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X-Wife Got Married Yesterday........Our Son is Shunned Today!

by new boy in

my wife left me 5 years ago when i left the jehovah's witnesses.

she got remarried saturday to one of "our" old jehovah's witness friends jay .

jay's wife, judy died 6 months ago of cancer.

Odrade

JM still in the house-building business? He sure did a crappy job on my uncle's house. They had to sue him to get him to finish the punch list of all the crappy things that were wrong when they moved in... things like broken trim, broken tile, holes in walls, broken concrete, roof shingles loose... He's a crook, why should anyone be surprised that he started dating while he was still standing on his wife's grave?

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update on my divorce situation

by depressed in

i'm shocked!

if you remember my experience, in a nutshell, basically my ex-bethelite ex pioneer husband cheated on me with an older "worldly woman" from his job and left me suddenly.

i had no idea that we had trouble with our marriage, however, when i discovered the love letters from the other woman, he moved out, and a week after that, i received divorce papers.

Odrade

Your words:

"So I composed the online journal and forwarded the link to his co-workers, so that they can all see that he's involved with the older woman there. In the journal, I spilled out all of the office secrets, including who's gay, etc, and I copied and pasted the love emails that the other woman wrote to my husband, and forwarded the link to his entire office."

"All of the office secrets." Get help. You're sick.

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She asked for money

by noontide in

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i went to visit my parents last night.

id been there for about 10 minutes when my mother looks at me and asks if i can give her 20 dollars.

sure, no problem.

Odrade

I'll be the dissenting "yes." Your mom wants to be generous with the "special" speaker. It sounds like this speaker is not the traveling overseer, but rather someone who was invited specially from Bethel to give their "special talk."
These guys are not making a haul, not traveling first class, and probably have agreed at considerable expense to themselves if the congregation is not a rich one. (Probably even if they are a rich one.)

My parents accepted these "invitations" a few times, and always went back to Bethel hundreds of $ poorer than before they accepted. Usually they get their airfare paid for (or mostly. My parents were asked if they had airmiles, which they did, so the congregation expected them to use their miles, which they WERE going to use for vacation.) Usually they get to stay at somebody's house and sleep on an air mattress (whoopee!), and they get taken out to some crappy-assed family restaurant or go to "potluck" after the talk. But nobody really helps them with eating expenses for the travel days, car rental (if needed,) eating expenses for the rest of their stay- usually an additional day or two. This isn't the cushy job that being a C.O. can be. The guys who take these talks, some of them, are the good ones... the ones that sacrifice because they think they are doing it for God.

Your mom sounds like she has a generous spirit, and she wants to help somebody else who quite possibly has a generous spirit. Yes, they're in a rotten stinkhole of a cult, but they're people.

If you decide to not give her the $20, (which is not much all things considered,) please just tell her you're not comfortable passing your money through to a group you can't support. But don't play the little "i forgot" game. She's doing it out of love for her "brothers." That's really what it's all about.

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HELP with baby boy names! Contest!

by Jez in

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we are having a boy and can't decide on names.

we want something a little different, not in 'the top 10'.

it also has to be english or german orgin.

Odrade

Reason number eleventy-jillion I will not be having children... it took us 2-1/2 months just to name the damn dog! (We named him "murphy", but mostly we call him "spawn," as in: of Satan.)

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The Need To Question Atheism

by The wanderer in

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the need to question atheism this need to question atheism stems from the fact there are some individuals.

on this board that subscribe to such.

the questions stated are not for some.

Odrade

::::This is why Albert Einstein, one of the greatest minds to walk the earth, believed that God existed and is responsible for these outstanding features that we humans are aware of at present.:::

Wrong. Albert Einstein admitted that the way certain things occurred made a good argument for the possibility of a creator, but he acknowledged that he, personally, did not believe it was so. Look it up. This "Albert Einstein believed in God, and he was brilliant," story has been around for so long... all grown out of a very selective quotation that distorted his intention.

Vinny, you present a lot of beliefs, but not a single fact. There is a difference. You present your faith as if it is substantive rather than emotive. You believe because you can not imagine feeling otherwise, you do not believe because FACT A led to FACT B, which lead you to another FACT C, leading finally to factual proof of god's existence.

You know, when my next door neighbor's kid was little, he believed in the Easter Bunny, and he believed in Santa Claus. Why? because the chocolate and the presents magically showed up in his home, and he could not imagine any other way they could have possibly gotten there, without the help of these beings. He had proof, and he believed. There's nothing wrong with that, but at some point a person has to grow enough so they can recognize faith for faith, and facts for facts. The fact is, your incomprehension of how the organisms on earth came to be is not proof of a creator, it is simply incomprehension.

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Eulogy of an Atheist

by DJK in

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eulogy of an atheist may be the title of the book i'm writing.

in it will be my personal prayer lacking notations of god and jesus.

i wish it could become a well known piece that many may choose to have read when they pass away.. my question to an atheist is this.

Odrade

Problem is, atheism is not a religious ideal, it is simply descriptive of not believing in gods. I suppose the beauty of doing the eulogy for non-theist/non-religious individual is, instead of talking about the individual's religion, you get to talk about the individual.