Odrade

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  Is is easier to fade if you are the husband or the wife?

  by wings in

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  i hope this brings up the "arrangement of submission" question to you.

  as the wife of an unbeliveing husband, you submit to everything except the things that go against your service to jehovah.

  as the husband of an unbeliving wife, you are kind and considerate and love her like yourself.

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  Odrade

  When we were both JWs, my husband became a very infrequent meeting attender. While they would sometimes ask me to "say Hi," the harrassment (phone calls, requests to pay a shepherding visit, etc,) didn't begin until I became infrequent in field service.

  My husband is an introvert, was rather quiet before and after the meetings, and had no significant ties. I am, however, very extroverted, "well-connected," and was fairly reliable until nearly the end of our time there. When the elders have called over the last 4 - 5 years, they call me. While I understand this is common practice - to call the wife and appeal to her "emotionalism," it isn't particularly effective around here. The last person who called was told that if I explained why I wasn't involved, I was aware he would not "help" me, but rather convene a Judicial Committee. He protested that it wasn't so, and I let him know that I was quite familiar with Organizational Procedure (where's that little TM mark, lol!) and that I found it hard to believe what he was saying.

  This was the second such conversation I had with the same man in the same year (C.O.,) so I don't feel too threatened, HAHA.

  But I think if my husband had quit and I had kept on, there would have been very little action taken. It really depends on the couple. It's not that I was "so special," simply that I am the more "visible" person in the couple.
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  Freedom of Speech

  by Scully in

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  my family has had an interesting evolution over the past few years of being exjws.. as jws, it didn't even occur to us to use profanity or vulgar language.

  jehovah's witnesses don't speak that way - at least that's how i was brainwashed to believe - although i knew plenty of jws who do.. once we started experiencing the real world, it no longer seemed like such a crime (or sin, to be more precise) to say the occasional word that might get *bleeped* on tv.. after a while though, it grew old.

  i started to feel that it wasn't my nature to talk that way, and using that language was not conducive to who i wanted to be as person and a professional.

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  They are talking about a legal concept: the constitutional guarantee of free speech. It doesn't apply to minor children, just as contracts, voting and other adult responsibilities do not. However, if I were trying to make the point of not using profanity, I would say that it's a lazy and ineffective way to express yourself. A well-executed speech, essay or rant is of far greater influence when words are chosen carefully and precisely to express an idea, than when a person resorts to cop-out words like F* or sh*!

  But sometimes all you have in your head is an ugly, inarticulate thought. In those instances, nothing quite conveys your own mixed up angry frustration like a few loud curses. Kids are going to swear like sailors. Just teach them how to communicate effectively, and eventually the potty mouth will taper off.
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  Do you get "tired" of "Apostates/ex-jws" bashing the WT to you?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know it is good to let out pent up anger for healing purposes, but do you ever get tired of some "apostates or ex-jws" constantly bashing the wt?

  for instance when you or having lunch and all they do is say "the evil wt this the evil wt that" during the whole time you are at lunch?

  sometimes i just don't feel like hearing it especially when i am at an event for fun.

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  I get tired of the tool, (whoever it is,) who keeps posting the same link crap to the JW lawsuits/employers/divorce cases on every blog that mentions JWs whether it is relevant or not. Just a drive-by splatterer who nearly always posts as "anonymous."

  But that other stuff... meh, depends on what day it is.
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  "Roads Caller?"

  by watson in

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  the speaker that gave our public talk today said that the men on the governing body were very smart.

  he said that albert schroeder could speak corny greek, and that frederick franz was a "roads caller.

  " i know what corny greek is, but i am not familiar with what a "roads caller" is.

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  Odrade

  Yep, Rhodes Scholar. Although, didn't someone reveal that he was only a Rhodes Scholar candidate? You actually have to follow through to be a R.S.. I was a National Merit/Presidential Merit Scholarship candidate, but due to zero follow-through (after all, Armageddon was coming, why waste time on scholarships and education?) never was an actual NM Scholar. Huge difference. In fact, I don't know if there is even a possibility I would have/could have won. Ol' Freddy had someone recommend him. But afaik, never was awarded the actual recognition. But in Dub-propaganda, it's all the same. "Fred Franz was a RHODES SCHOLAR, that means we know he's right because he was SMART!" hehe.
  edit: damn. I'm slow. AA beat me to it.
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  Last-light grabshots - sometimes you have to move fast!

  by tim hooper in

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  2. entertainment

  here's a quick sequence i bagged a couple of hours ago in the welsh hills, as the sun got progressively lower and the rain moved on in..... all in all, about 20 minutes in total.. tim.

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  Odrade

  I have a bit of dirt/dust on my lens. I haven't cleaned it out of fear I'll scratch something. :( Don't know how to do it properly. I never worried about cleaning the lens on my cheap P&S. hehe.
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  Show off your favorite photos!

  by mavie in

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  http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4295/desktopus1.jpg.

  i took this on the oregon coast, applied a paintbrush photoshop effect to it...i like the result.

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  Whoa, Jennie's an all-grown up teenager isn't she? !!! :)
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  Last-light grabshots - sometimes you have to move fast!

  by tim hooper in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  here's a quick sequence i bagged a couple of hours ago in the welsh hills, as the sun got progressively lower and the rain moved on in..... all in all, about 20 minutes in total.. tim.

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  Love the 2nd and 4th with the back hills disappearing into the mists. Beautiful.
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  Arguments JW's can't argue with.....I think???

  by Adolfius in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  these are just a couple of arguments i think would cause any half sane jw (if any current and actively brainwashed "true believer" could ever be described as sane), to stop and think for themselves.. thinking person: is the bible and the events it describes true and factual?.

  jw: yes.....to the letter.. thinking person: could evolution be true?.

  jw: no way.. thinking person: ok, so i just want to get this perfectly clear; evolution in no way happened, is happening, or possibly ever will happen?

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  Odrade

  I was always taught (as a JW) that there is a clear distinction between adaptation and evolution. Thus species could "adapt" to the surroundings, changing generationally to suit their needs, yet never "evolve." Pretty stupid.
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  Show off your favorite photos!

  by mavie in

  1. jw
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  http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4295/desktopus1.jpg.

  i took this on the oregon coast, applied a paintbrush photoshop effect to it...i like the result.

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  Odrade

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  Fencing Borders - Anyone Else Think This Is A Stupid Idea??

  by Seeker4 in

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  i've been listening to this from the congress for some time now, and it's back in the news today.

  the idea is to build a literal fence along the us border, hundreds of miles long and costing millions of dollars, in order to keep out illegal aliens.. damn you canadian outlaws!

  oops!

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  Odrade

  The biggest thing building a wall will accomplish is to keep illegals who are already here, in the country. Not out. I used to know people who would come work (illegally) in ag or restaurants, or other menial work, stay for a year or two, go back home for 6 months, come back and work for a year... etc. Putting up a wall would prevent them from returning to their families when they have money to survive. So then what is the choice? Never see their families again? Or try to smuggle them into the country too?

  There was an interesting segment on NPR a few days ago about this. I'll see if I can find it.

  I was listening to an economist discussing the Farm Bill, which is up for re-working again this year. The Farm Bill subsidizes crops like corn and soy, which can then be bought below production costs by junk food companies, (and other food companies.) The point was made (besides obvious correlation to cheap crappy food, and obesity,) that this has had severe impact on the global economy. Since these crops can be trade staples of other parts of the world, but the US subsidizes the giant crops so heavily, it has reduced agricultural economy in many nations, including our own. Small sustainable farms (many of whom provide employment for migrant workers,) are either going under, or converting to corn-syrup crops. Shame really.

  Anyways, the point is that if the Farm Bill is fixed, subsidies like this are redistributed to sustainability, it changes the quality and availability of good food, AND it provides a boost to other countries with agricultural economies... which gives them jobs at home... which reduces illegal immigration.

  Building a wall is a band-aid.