I feel like I should send this to my mom. I'm not above using their own stick to beat them with. But in some ways it's kind of nice that she hasn't spoken to me in 8 months. Ha!
(P.S.: still not DF'd)
Posts by Odrade
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216No One Should Be Made to Choose ..LIES from July 09 Awake
by Hopscotch inthe following quote is taken from the article is it wrong to change your religion?
in the july 2009 awake p29:
no one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.
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3 JC Elders in a car crash.
by african GB Member insuppose they get involved in a car accident shortly after handing down a df judgement in a jc.
they don't die, but surprisingly they all loose their memory.
all jc records that they had on them are destroyed during the accident.. what happens to the poor fellow who is supposed to be announced "no longer one of jehovah's witnesses"?.
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Odrade
Hahaha! You have WAY too much time on your hands. :)
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Witness 007 returns to wife and meetings..I give up! Sorry no choice!
by Witness 007 inmy wife's been having mental problems since hurting her back at work...we split for 8 weeks {her doing} then she rings me and says she "can't cope and is lonely" so i return {the drama continues} she seems more stable, sleeping all night...what a change!
her mood had become alittle more stable.
she found a part time job, and has not been dragged off by security like her last job...much improved though she dropped 10 kilos in weight.
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Odrade
The clinical literature on co-dependency sheds a lot of light on Witness 007's experiences within his marriage
And you made this diagnosis, how? Through counseling sessions with him? Intimate knowledge of the details of 007's thought processes and decision making? Direct observation?
I love how people here throw around diagnosis and evaluation such as "co-dependency," "lack of self-respect," "confused," "hero syndrome," "inauthentic," etc.
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Witness 007 returns to wife and meetings..I give up! Sorry no choice!
by Witness 007 inmy wife's been having mental problems since hurting her back at work...we split for 8 weeks {her doing} then she rings me and says she "can't cope and is lonely" so i return {the drama continues} she seems more stable, sleeping all night...what a change!
her mood had become alittle more stable.
she found a part time job, and has not been dragged off by security like her last job...much improved though she dropped 10 kilos in weight.
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Odrade
done4: that's an extremely harsh and judgmental thing to say, that he has no self-respect. How do you know what is his motivation other than what he has said? How do you know that it is or is not self-respect that makes him follow this path. Can you grasp the idea that it might be self-respect that motivates him to help his wife, even at some personal cost? Responsible, caring and self-respecting people often do things that are difficult or will cost them precious time, freedom or resources. It seems that he is saying he is doing this because, for right now and for him and his wife, he knows it is right.
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Witness 007 returns to wife and meetings..I give up! Sorry no choice!
by Witness 007 inmy wife's been having mental problems since hurting her back at work...we split for 8 weeks {her doing} then she rings me and says she "can't cope and is lonely" so i return {the drama continues} she seems more stable, sleeping all night...what a change!
her mood had become alittle more stable.
she found a part time job, and has not been dragged off by security like her last job...much improved though she dropped 10 kilos in weight.
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Odrade
007, lots of people attend churches where they don't believe the doctrine. They just keep their mouths shut and go for the fellowship, the choir, the youth program, church picnics, etc. Now granted, the JWs don't really have any of those things except for a certain amount of fellowshipping, but to your wife that's worth it. And maybe for you that's worth it too.
I was talking to a friend who happens to be agnostic-leaning-atheistic. She has attended the First Baptist for YEARS because she loves the choir. I have a client who attends the Unitarian with many of her friends, even though she is Catholic.
I know we have this huge indoctrination to overcome that if you attend JW services, you are unequivocally a believer and supporter. But I have to believe that a fair percentage of "Witnesses" are just going to church. I've learned from talking to church-attending non-believers, that the church leaders will still try to get people involved more actively. It's the same all over, the JWs just think they are different.
Millions of women get up in the morning, take their B.C. pill, then go to Catholic Mass. Why should the JWs be any different. What will truly break down their policies is if tens of thousands of attenders just quietly do not comply with their rules on shunning, transfusions, entertainment, college, and so on. I'm sure there are plenty of Mormons out there who don't wear the special undies, too.
When I was newly out of the JWs, I couldn't wrap my mind around anyone just silently attending, or going back because of family. But the more distance I put between myself and the JWs, the more I see that it's just another religion.
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Odrade
Have two. No regrets.
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therapist says affairs can help some/my marriage....really...
by oompa inwell that took me back a bit...but since i have led a double life since third grade...i have become the master of compartmentalizing...and since my exit and since it is now not just to my parents (as a youth)...but now having to do it to my hardcore jw wife....well...it just gets frikkin easier and easier...i now think i am becoming capable of stuff i would have never dreamed of...this is scary.... i have decided i can afford it financially though i dread this at 47, since this is the second time i would lose half my assets....crap...and my wife is a wonderful lady!...hot even!...but i so want to grow and be totally free...damm the costs are so high...why cant i be content with a non-nagging jw wife?????.
oh...and basically it seems that if certain needs (not just sex!
) need to be met...and your mate will never know...than it can help your marriage continue with no bad side effects???
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Odrade
oompa, people who cheat do not respect themselves. It has little to do with your wife, your marriage or how much your wife puts out or nags about "reaching out." A therapist who tells you to cheat is an idiot. If you respected yourself, if you thought you deserved to have a good life and a spouse who loved you more than her church memes, there would be no question of cheating, only the question of how do you change OR leave your present situation. If you don't respect yourself enough to be with a woman who treats you with respect, how on earth do you think you'll be able to pick a mistress who respects you?
If you don't respect yourself, at least behave as though you respect yourself. Do the right thing, either respect your family and your promises, or tell her you are through, and get out. Don't two-time your own promises.
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Hurlbut, ebay and WT plagiarism
by Odrade inlast week i picked up an old book on ebay called "hurlbut's story of the bible.
" it's an illustrated "bible" that is arranged by stories, with pictures.
many of them have morals to be learned, some tie in "foreshadowing" of new testament events.
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Odrade
Last week I picked up an old book on ebay called "Hurlbut's Story of the Bible." It's an illustrated "bible" that is arranged by stories, with pictures. Many of them have morals to be learned, some tie in "foreshadowing" of New Testament events. It's an interesting piece of religious literature, published in 1904. It is still in print today, I'm not sure if the illustrations are the same or have been updated.
What is most striking to me is that so many of the illustrations in this book are the same, or very nearly so, as the ones that appear all throughout WT literature. Granted, it has been several years since I cracked a book, probably at least 5 years since I leafed through a bible story book, but I'm seeing a lot of images I feel are very familiar. (I was going to look it up myself for comparison, but it appears I have thrown out my B.S. book. lol)
Eh. If I get some time I'll scan a few of the images and post 'em up. Does anyone else have this book, and can you confirm the similarities I think I'm seeing? Or does anyone know if there are scans of the WT bible story book illustrations out there on the intarwebs?
Curiosity.
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Odrade
Sadly, supporting reproductive freedom means situations like this can happen. If we say this woman is not allowed to reproduce, we are selectively denying choice - reproductive freedom.
However, even though the woman has a legal right to control her own womb, commonsense should have said that she would be unable to find a medical provider willing to perform the service. Unfortunately, IMO the doctor who performed the procedure is every bit as culpable as this (likely) mentally ill woman.
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Is this generation just setting themselves up for disappointment with Obama!
by free2beme ini have heard people call obama their "lord and savior" and act like having him in office is going to solve everything for the world.
i honest believe, a lot of people have extremely high hopes for this man.
some deserved, as he promised and others imposed as they are desperate.
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Odrade
The only people I've heard referring to Obama as "Lord and Savior," "Messiah," or "Magic," are Republicans claiming that Dems are saying that. I have yet to hear any liberals of my acquaintance using terminology like this. I agree that people have high hopes for Obama, but considering the last 8 years, I think "high hopes" translates to "please help get the country back on track."