hahahahaha! Can anyone say "recycled?" How many times have I read incarnations of that exact same article.
They get a "G" for repetition.
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Subconciously Learning Mind Control Techniques from the WTS
by Nosferatu ini'm wondering if any of you have experienced this.
we all know that the wts blamed the r&f for being too anxious when it came to the 1975 issue, and a lot of them bought it.. i've had many experiences with my mother when it came to me relating a childhood memory, and my mother tells me "you don't remember that!
you just remember seeing pictures of it, or what i've told you".
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I agree with P.S. it's a parent thing, BUT Nos makes a good point. Do people in mind-control cults use the same manipulative methods on other people? I know I can be pretty damn manipulative when I want to... luckily, that's not often anymore. So...did I learn it naturally like lots of little kids do, just growing up? Or was it taught to me subtly, by being part of the Org, and being manipulated constantly by their doctrine and policies?
Good question...
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Classmate asks a question, so help me out guys!
by Odrade inso i'm in school, and make a crack about my fanatic parents.
i've made other little comments to this lady before, but this time she stopped, looked at me and said: "what religion did you belong to?
" i told her the jws.
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Thanks guys, she does know (I think) about all the no holiday stuff, but I needed ideas about how conversion of this man's (now dead) wife nearly ruined the marriage. As I understand it, he is pretty gunshy of anything remotely religious. She just wants to know how JW teachings ruined the relationship. Thanks for the ideas! I've really never thought of it from quite this perspective before, and was having trouble getting started.
BTW, she is in NO danger of taking up with the JWs herself, so I'm not trying to dissuade her in any way. That part is already done.
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Classmate asks a question, so help me out guys!
by Odrade inso i'm in school, and make a crack about my fanatic parents.
i've made other little comments to this lady before, but this time she stopped, looked at me and said: "what religion did you belong to?
" i told her the jws.
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So I'm in school, and make a crack about my fanatic parents. I've made other little comments to this lady before, but this time she stopped, looked at me and said: "What religion did you belong to?" I told her the JWs. She said:"I KNEW it!" Then she tells me she wants to get together with me and talk to me about it. Apparently she's dating a man whose wife (he's a widower now) converted to JWism. This man has said very little about it, but has told her that the JWs and the wife ruined their marriage. He wants nothing to do with any religion, which is fine with my classmate. She wants to know more about the Witnesses, because she says it's clear there's more to the story, but he won't talk.
She knows next to nothing about JWs, except that they are very restrictive. She wants to know more about JWs so she can understand how his former wife's conversion affected the family dynamics and this man she is dating. I'm not sure where to start with her. So I'm looking for ideas to help me sort out how to explain it.
Thanks all!
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By The Numbers
by Euphemism insorry if anyone has already posted this... the latest jw numbers are circulating for the '02-'03 service year.. lands - 235. branches - 109. average publishers - 6,184,046 (2.2% increase.).
peak publishers - 6,429,351 (2% increase).
book placements - 23,273,275 (5.6% increase).
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Hours spent hugging your children and telling them how proud you are of them.
Oh gag. I'm in my 30s. When I was growing up in a zealous JW household, I remember the most how I was never good enough, never "wholesouled." Now I think my Dad has realized his mistake, cause he is always hugging me and telling me how proud he is of me. I think he's trying to make up for the kid thing, thinking maybe it will get me to come back to the Borg. I don't know... but it feels manipulative.
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What JW teachings have not changed and are believed today ???
by run dont walk inokay, lets look back to the 1870's 1880's 1890's 1900's 1910's 1920's 1930's 1940's 1950's 1960's 1970's and even the 1980's.
wow a lot years for us to consider ....... here is my question, out of all the beliefs taught, preached and practiced, how many are still valid today ???.
i asked my family this, i said, "fine you accept new light and changes, so be it, but out of all the teachings from 1879 to 1979 , what has not changed, what has remained the same, has every single teaching taught received "new light", the bible has survived 1000's of years, but watchtower teaching last maybe 20 years, is there not any teachings that have survived the test of time.".
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women are lesser vessels
Actually, in his will, Russell appointed women to make sure the publication of the WT continued as he wanted it to. Rutherford took very little time getting them removed from administration and put in there proper place. The denigration of women was also a change--instituted by the "Judge."
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Those of who are trying to get out of the Borg....
by Flowerpetal inare you still going in service?
if so, how do you present your message?
i'm sure you disagree with a lot of wt teachings, so how are you handling this?
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Back when I was still going in service (hehe) I would usually just go to the door and read a scripture or two. I only offered literature once in awhile. I guess subconsciously I was already afraid they would try to learn more if I left a book or Watchtower.
Lucky me, none of my calls or studies ever converted. I guess I was too honest for them to be convinced.
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Has Anyone been "Spotted" or "Reported" for being here?
by In_between_days inhas anyones jw friends or family ever spotted anyone on here who shouldnt be and reported you or confronted you?
how did they work out it was you?
how did you take it, and if you were in good standing at the time, what counsel did you receive?
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((((sns))))
If anyone was looking for me on here, there is certainly enough info to "put it all together," but at this point, I really don't care too much anymore.
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Lois Lowry's The Giver
by Oxnard Hamster inwhile in the chat a few days ago, someone recommended raymond franz's crisis of conscience.
another excellent book pertinent to the jws is lois lowry's the giver.
yes, it is a young adult book, and yes, it's not about witnesses per se.
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Hey! thanks for posting this. I'll definitely look for the book this weekend. Dystopia? Great word.
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A Decision On DAing.
by shamus ini have decided not to d.a.
although they treated me like shit, made me feel like a worm, they are not going to get anything that they want.
i really really want to da myself, but, that is the end of it.
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((((Shamus)))) I can totally empathize. On the one hand you probably feel like you don't want anyone thinking you are even an "inactive" JW, and it would be great to really tell them off. On the other hand you don't want to play by their rules and submit to an authority you no longer recognize. Believe me, I've been having the same argument in my own head. There's an outline of sorts for my own DA letter on my computer, but I won't send it. If they're going to throw me out, they'll have to do it all by their little selves.
FWIW, I look forward to your posts. You're a majorly different, and I think happier, person just since I came on this board in July. You already are breaking their bonds. That's a huge "in your face, (or suck my toe) WTS!"
Yay! Shamus!
Odrade