sooo----is spanking ok if it is clearly controlled?
Let me tell you about how my parents spanked us, Mini...
(Yes, I've related this before, so here's the short version.) We would "act up," sometimes it was at the meeting--like doing the push-fight over the armrest, sometimes it was during family study, too squirmy, not paying attention. Sometimes it was making too much noise playing on the jungle-gym in the backyard. So, we would get hauled inside for a "spanking." If it was mom, we had to bring a stick from the yard (easier for her to hold), if it was dad, he used a belt. We would get 3 hard blows to the butt. If we jumped around, then the legs were fair game. I jumped around, most of my "spanks" ended up on the backs/sides of my thighs. If we screamed, we got 3 more hits. Scream some more, 3 more. We usually didn't scream.
These "spanks" would leave huge welts, and sometimes bruises. Were the spanks out of control? NO. (at least with my dad... my mom? that's debateable. She would get in a particular rage if we wouldn't cry during the spanking, or particularly if my brother would laugh. Then she would keep hitting him all over the room until her arm got tired.) But with dad, he was doing what was "right" and he was NEVER out of control. He really believed that was the way to discipline. Got lots of commendation from the other elders on how well he disciplined his kids.
I'm not a parent myself, but I have lots of experience with kids, enough to know that effective discipline can be administered without injuring the kid.
I have no problem with spanking. I think a well-timed swat can be worth an hour of talking. But too many in the Org let the oldtimers and hardliners in the congregation teach them how to beat their kids, and convince them that this is godly discipline. It makes me sick.
The sad thing is, when those kids grow up and look back, the kids whose parents beat them out of control are more likely to clearly say "parent, that was wrong, you hurt me." The kid whose parents administered "controlled" beatings, will always be conflicted about who takes the blame...
Odrade