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  2002 statistics???

  by izobcenec in

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  does any1 know, what the jw statistics for this year are...i have.

  heard somewhere, that the increase was 0.7%, but i'm not really.

  sure about that info...

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  Blueblades

  At a recent circuit assembly of about 20 congregations there were 10 baptized.Thats .5 for each cong. in the circuit.With all the pioneers and CO.visits, i believe the CO.makes it around the circuit twice in one year,that's not increase from the field.Mostly family and young ones were baptized. Blueblades
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  Pay Attention:Appealing an appeal?

  by Blueblades in

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  unit 5c,page127.when the disfellowshipping is upheld by the appeal committee,there is no further right to appeal.however,if an individual persists in believing a serious error in judgment has occurred, the appeal committee should inform him that he may submit his allegations in writing to the appeal committee within seven days for transmittal to the branch office.the appeal committee will include this statement along with the information being sent to the branch office.

  ?question:how many are aware that you can appeal an appeal?and dosen't it say ,"there is no further right to appeal.

  "then dosen't it say ,'if you are persistent, however,you can appeal an appeal ".notice the second appeal is called an allegation.an assertion made without proof.and then the second appeal which is called an allegation is now called a statement that is being sent to the branch office.hence,the individual has to present evidence that six men have seriously erred in judgment before how many men in position at the branch office without them ever seeing this individual before them personally.and has not the decision already been bound in heaven?

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  Minimus,In some cases that may be true,that its a waste of time .In other cases it may prevent a lot of pain and suffering.Even so, my thought is that, should not an individual be permitted to sit before a branch office representative who would explain their decision to that one.Rather than a coded letter being sent back to the appeal committee?And then in hearsay information be judged.Blueblades
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  Pay Attention:Appealing an appeal?

  by Blueblades in

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  unit 5c,page127.when the disfellowshipping is upheld by the appeal committee,there is no further right to appeal.however,if an individual persists in believing a serious error in judgment has occurred, the appeal committee should inform him that he may submit his allegations in writing to the appeal committee within seven days for transmittal to the branch office.the appeal committee will include this statement along with the information being sent to the branch office.

  ?question:how many are aware that you can appeal an appeal?and dosen't it say ,"there is no further right to appeal.

  "then dosen't it say ,'if you are persistent, however,you can appeal an appeal ".notice the second appeal is called an allegation.an assertion made without proof.and then the second appeal which is called an allegation is now called a statement that is being sent to the branch office.hence,the individual has to present evidence that six men have seriously erred in judgment before how many men in position at the branch office without them ever seeing this individual before them personally.and has not the decision already been bound in heaven?

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  Unit 5c,page127.When the disfellowshipping is upheld by the appeal committee,there is no further right to appeal.However,if an individual persists in believing a serious error in judgment has occurred, the appeal committee should inform him that he may submit his allegations in writing to the appeal committee within seven days for transmittal to the branch office.The appeal committee will include this statement along with the information being sent to the branch office. ?????????Question:How many are aware that you can appeal an appeal?and dosen't it say ,"There is no further right to appeal."Then dosen't it say ,'If you are persistent, however,you can appeal an appeal ".Notice the second appeal is called an allegation.An assertion made without proof.And then the second appeal which is called an allegation is now called a statement that is being sent to the branch office.Hence,the individual has to present evidence that six men have seriously erred in judgment before how many men in position at the branch office without them ever seeing this individual before them personally.And has not the decision already been bound in heaven? Why then an appeal in the first place, for the Holy Spirit cannot err in judgment.I present this because it has affected many and many have suffered an error in judgment from men who do not and cannot read the heart .And who themselves have admitted they make mistakes when it comes to life and death decisions.I appreciate any elders comments on this subject for the benefit of those who have been disfellowedshipped and those who may face such action in the future. Blueblades
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  The Status Of A "Jehovah's Witness"

  by minimus in

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  a person desires to become baptized.

  it could be because they believe they've found the truth, peer pressure, an expectation of "doing the right thing", etc.

  whatever the motive, they become baptized jehovah's witnesses.

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  BLONDIE,Thanks for the quote .Thats the one i was thinking about.You are correct in what you say about actions speaking louder than words. Blueblades
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  What's The First Step To Leaving The "Trut...

  by minimus in

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  for those that have entirely left, what was it that first got you seriously thinking that this really wasn't the truth?

  for those that may be in just mentally, you can answer too....

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  Minimus,An injustice to a member of my family.This led to further investigation, which led me to the first step to leaving the giant misstep i made so,so many years ago.Blueblades
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  Following the real truth to a better life

  by kenpodragon in

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  i was standing at the edge of a meadow , far from any others.

  the flowers of spring had opened their peddles to reveal their colors.

  the mountains in the distance were still showing their trace of the white winter snow.

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  Kenpodragon, 1998-Movie-Sliding Doors-Starring,Gwyneth Paltrow,told the story about how ones life can be changed by timing and missing the "DOOR" of life.After 32 years and raising a family in the truth?????? I ,like so many others ,have missed the" DOOR",so to speak.What would life have been like raising my family outside the gate of the wt?I call it the missing years.What opportunities have been missed?Now is not the time to go into all the details of those years that were packed with so much activity.I do feel much sorrow,regret, as i am now 60 years of age.I stepped down as an elder and my family is trying to quietly leave. Thanks for your thoughts, i enjoy reading your posts.Blueblades.
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  The Status Of A "Jehovah's Witness"

  by minimus in

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  a person desires to become baptized.

  it could be because they believe they've found the truth, peer pressure, an expectation of "doing the right thing", etc.

  whatever the motive, they become baptized jehovah's witnesses.

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  Blueblades

  blondie, i think recently they said that an inactive person is still considered part of the flock and the elders must treat them as such. too early to look it up.Blueblades
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  Matthew 10:23

  by Blueblades in

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  mt.10:23 "for truly i say to you,you will by no means complete the circuit of israel until the son of man arrives".the 1986 to 1985 wt.publication index give only two places where they interpret this verse,really its only one place.remember the series"jesus life and ministry",that became the book the greatest man who ever lived.

  (wt.87,8/1 pg.9 ) and 1991 chapther 50,gt.book.i bring this up because earlier it was suggested that an elder visiting a congregation said that the preaching work would come to a halt and the jws would have a warning signal that armageddon was very near.this was thought to be new light something that was mentioned at the annual meeting.way back in 1987 wt.and repeated in 1991 gt.book it was said , and i quote,"so when saying that his disciples would not complete their circuit of preaching"until the son of man arrives",jesus was prophetically telling us that his disciples would not complete the circuit of the entire inhabited earth with the preaching about god's established kingdom before the glorified king jesus christ would arrive as jehovah's executional officer at armageddon".unquote.nowhere else has this verse been explained any differently, that i am aware of.how does the wt.

  reconcile this explanation with mt.24:14 "this goodnews of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations then the end will come.

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  MT.10:23 "for truly i say to you,You will by no means complete the circuit of Israel until the son of man arrives".THE 1986 to 1985 WT.Publication index give only two places where they interpret this verse,really its only one place.remember the series"Jesus life and ministry",that became the book the Greatest Man who ever lived.(wt.87,8/1 pg.9 ) and 1991 chapther 50,GT.Book.I bring this up because earlier it was suggested that an elder visiting a congregation said that the preaching work would come to a halt and the jws would have a warning signal that Armageddon was very near.This was thought to be new light something that was mentioned at the annual meeting.Way back in 1987 wt.and repeated in 1991 gt.book it was said , and i quote,"So when saying that his disciples would not complete their circuit of preaching"until the son of man arrives",Jesus was prophetically telling us that his disciples would not complete the circuit of the entire inhabited earth with the preaching about God's established Kingdom before the glorified King Jesus Christ would arrive as Jehovah's executional officer at Armageddon".Unquote.Nowhere else has this verse been explained any differently, that i am aware of.How does the wt. reconcile this explanation with MT.24:14 "This goodnews of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations then the end will come."Where they write tons of material contrary to the explanation given in 1987 and 1991.Either it will or it won't which is it.So,nothing new from the annual meeting as i see it.Just another LURE to confuse the rank and file.I myself do not accept any explanation given by the wt.
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  Are you afraid to die?

  by kenpodragon in

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  i was about 12 years old when this happened, but i remember it like it was yesterday.

  it was a late evening and i was by myself in our home.

  i grew up in a country home far from most any thing.

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  AFRAID? "We have nothing to fear but fear itself".President Roosevelt after the bombing of pearl harbor and the declaration of war against japan.It was a phrase that would put many lives in harms way for many years to come. Were many afraid to die? Well,another phrase was coined during that war,"There are no atheists in foxholes".Was that phrase true?When death is imminent,does fear of the unknown cause one to be afraid?So,Are you afraid to die?I would think the answer to that question would depend on the persons view of what death actually is.(ie.)A very personal experience might help to understand what i am trying to say.Sometime ago my mother died in my arms.Just before she died i might add,the doctors said that she was in a coma.MY mom was a catholic, as the death rattle was upon her she uttered the words,"Jesus,Mary and Joseph".Being a catholic she was taught that Jesus,Mary and Joseph were in heaven and that invoking their name would assure her entrance into heaven.This she did while in a coma.I cant explain it.Was my mom afraid to die? I dont know.This occurred 30 years ago. I am now 60 yrs old.It still lingers in my mind.As for me Ken, i dont know what to believe about the hereafter anymore, and not knowing what to expect when i die there is the uneasy nervousness of what will become of me when that inevitable time has arrived.And yet i think not only of myself but of all those who have gone before me and those to follow.And i think of this very day,"AM I AFRAID TO DIE".The honest answer is------"YES". Blueblades
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  Why we NEED the WATCHTOWER.

  by refiners fire in

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  the watchtower: october 15, 1953. article - "the watchtower, a bible study aid" .

  brothers, i present it for your uplifting.

  a little light sunday reading..... .

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  Refiners Fire, Thanks for the light reading.Ever since then,i'm sure you are aware of how they have sprinkled the articles with"EUPHEMISMS" when referring to "FAILED PROPHECIES".(e.g) errors-mistakes-misinterpretations-misunderstandings-premature expectations-mistakes in their understanding-matters in which corrections of viewpoints have been needed-unrealized hopes-misplaced expectations-inaccurate concepts-views in need of refinements-serious disappointments-formerly cherished views- But,never"FALSE PROPHESIES". This is why we dont need the watchtower.BTW.Notice one of the euphemisms used was "views in need of" REFINEMENTS".So why would we need the wt.Dont they know that all they had to do was check with Refiners Fire .Thanks again. Blueblades