i think my earlier post " what is a fact" has run it's course.
in this thread i would like to present the same question " what is a fact" from a different viewpoint.. many j.w children have loving parents ( that is a fact) but parents who insanley demanded unquestioning obidience to their deranged standards.. so " what is a fact" to innocent children is that a god who they have never seen nor heard, will destroy them if they dont live to the g.bs deranged standards.. so basically these children have been taught the wrong meaning of words:-.
love is conditional.
If I choose to believe that god exists, is that a fact? 2 points;...
1...it is a fact that I choose to believe it.
2..it does not make it a fact because I choose to believe it....conclusion;
Not everything we choose to believe is a fact, rather the choice to believe is the fact.
i think my earlier post " what is a fact" has run it's course.
in this thread i would like to present the same question " what is a fact" from a different viewpoint.. many j.w children have loving parents ( that is a fact) but parents who insanley demanded unquestioning obidience to their deranged standards.. so " what is a fact" to innocent children is that a god who they have never seen nor heard, will destroy them if they dont live to the g.bs deranged standards.. so basically these children have been taught the wrong meaning of words:-.
love is conditional.
Absolutely proves my point, if a conviction is overturned because of new evidential facts then the bogus facts upon which the charge produced a conviction were never facts.
Those who presented the original case were either duped or foolish.
i think my earlier post " what is a fact" has run it's course.
in this thread i would like to present the same question " what is a fact" from a different viewpoint.. many j.w children have loving parents ( that is a fact) but parents who insanley demanded unquestioning obidience to their deranged standards.. so " what is a fact" to innocent children is that a god who they have never seen nor heard, will destroy them if they dont live to the g.bs deranged standards.. so basically these children have been taught the wrong meaning of words:-.
love is conditional.
Any dispute contra ' a fact ' has to be substantiated, the ensuing arguments will determine, as in a court room whether what is presented as fact is actually s
corroborated evidence is the key.
Therefore the presented ' facts ' which were proved to be bogus were not ever facts.
Our humanistic reasoning on what is fact is no different from the court room of the worlds stage.
Anyone disputing commonly agreed fact, had better have indisputable evidence or they may be made to look foolish.
Of course there are those who would present skewed evidence as a result of not awakening from their childlike imaginary state.
i think my earlier post " what is a fact" has run it's course.
in this thread i would like to present the same question " what is a fact" from a different viewpoint.. many j.w children have loving parents ( that is a fact) but parents who insanley demanded unquestioning obidience to their deranged standards.. so " what is a fact" to innocent children is that a god who they have never seen nor heard, will destroy them if they dont live to the g.bs deranged standards.. so basically these children have been taught the wrong meaning of words:-.
love is conditional.
Tthe follow on being, that many many adults still have the childlike state of not being able to discern between knowledgeable fact and compelling imagination.
i think my earlier post " what is a fact" has run it's course.
in this thread i would like to present the same question " what is a fact" from a different viewpoint.. many j.w children have loving parents ( that is a fact) but parents who insanley demanded unquestioning obidience to their deranged standards.. so " what is a fact" to innocent children is that a god who they have never seen nor heard, will destroy them if they dont live to the g.bs deranged standards.. so basically these children have been taught the wrong meaning of words:-.
love is conditional.
Hi nhah;.. children have imaginations which in the context of which you speak are not facts because as a child the truth of the imaginary thoughts they have are not known to them until the developing brain begins to reason ie they have not reached the stage of properly discerning for themselves what a fact is.
Thus imaginary friends, santa claus, fairies etc may seem real to them but can only be accepted as facts if reasoned upon ie to know why it's a fact.
Therefore you as an adult may say what is in the childs mind eg ' moley ' is a fact to them but that reasoning is precisely because you are an adult.
It is not the reasoning of the child therefore cannot be a fact.
Best wishes.
i have heard a lot of talk over the last year or so if the gb will eventually ditch 1914 and some have even made the claim that most, if not all of the gb do not believe in 1914. ive given this some thought and in the past i wasnt sure.
this annual meeting puts 100%, without a doubt in my mind that the gb do not believe in 1914. id even go as far to say that they talked about that date and have a game plan in mind.. here is why i feel this way:.
there were a lot of changes with the parables at this annual meeting.
We are longing for the day the JWs, gb, watchtower falls on its own sword.
Speculative questions /statements will continue until that day, hopefully sooner than later.
christopher columbus discovered the new world in the same way that a meteorite discovered the dinosuars.. here is some stuff about c.c.
they might not teach in school.... .
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The irony being, most of latin America is catholic/christian as a result of his expeditions.
He himself a christian but evidently a law unto himself.
Certainly not a person to be revered.
i just checked the jw.org website and noticed an article about the jw response to ebola.
as i suspected, the entire focus was on alerting and educating jw members about ebola.just like in other disaster situations, the jw organization almost exclusively assists it's own members, ignoring the general public.
it seems their main concern is keeping their members healthy so they can continue to spread the jw message door to door!!!
As is recorded in the NT, jesus cared for the multitudes not just the select.
JWs are so hypocritical.
If they believe they are chritian, why the distinctiin. They have plenty of bucks not just loaves and fishes.
in his preesentation, he speaks to "you the young ones".
"you are the next generation of " adult witnesses.
this one sentence using generation in the normal way, at a stroke, shows they just made up the overlapping teaching to get themselves out of a hole.. .
Ah this is whats known as the overlapping definition.
It's all accepted in jw cloud cuckoo land.
this is my first post here.. i was raised in "the truth", and am an ex-bethelite who worked in brooklyn for several years back in the 90's.
a few years after i left bethel, i started to become disillusioned after doing research about the society and reading crisis of conscience (i know..i wasn't supposed to do that lol).
i eventually stopped attending meetings and going out in service.
Master bob ;..exactly !! How many people in 'jesus time 'said or did good things what's so special about jesus supposed utterances.
The reason d'etre for all of us using this forum is precisely because of the significance given to this arguable individual.
Is it not about time mankind dismissed this ancient guesswork and concentrate on the good works of our contemporaries who deal with the present and work towards a better future without attaching the outcome to complex and controversial ancient myth.
Best wishes.
