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"Aren't you going the wrong way at this stage of your life?"
by donny inthat was a question posed to me by a friend who just recently discovered my switch from one who used to have a belief in god to one that has a lack thereof.. they stated "most people i know, including your truly, were not much interested in closely following the tenants of the faith we were brought up in when we were in the prime of our young adulthood.
you on the other hand, were much more zealous back then and now have pretty much left it all behind.
surely it is not because you are not sowing your oats at this time.".
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What is your biggest gripe with the WT and it's teachings?
by FL_Panthers inas the title says, please list what you find annoying with the organization..
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Borg similarities to Animal Farm? Absolutely!
by WingCommander ini remember having to read george orwell's "animal farm" in 11th grade.
it was a mandatory assignment and after our readings there were discussions.
a few years later, my own mother whom had worked in a local psychiatric unit related to me that she felt the borganization closely resembled animal farm and also 1984. this was truly striking to me, but now more than ever it makes sense on so many levels.
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Just watched the movie. With talking farm animals, it appeared to be a childrens movie, but my child would not totally 'get it'. The similarites were there of the GB living in luxury and spinning of tales to make things look good. A good read/watch for an adult, if you can get past the animals....
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Jehovah's Witness elders were 'spiritually corrupt and morally bankrupt', court told
by 4thgen inhttp://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovahs-witness-elders-were-spiritually-7258297.
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http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovahs-witness-elders-were-spiritually-7258297
Jehovah's Witness elders were 'spiritually corrupt and morally bankrupt', court told
Mark Sewell is standing trial at Merthyr Crown Court
Church elders in a Jehovah's Witnesses congregation where a worshipper allegedly raped a woman and abused children were "spiritually corrupt and morally bankrupt", a court heard today.
The father of Mark Sewell, who denies 12 historic sex charges, even tried to "conceal" a rape claim against his son, it was claimed.
Jurors trying the 53-year-old heard from the father of Sewell's first alleged victim, who was just a child when the defendant is said to have kissed and touched her.
The man, in his 60s, said Sewell had been a close friend of his after they met through the church, even describing him as "the brother I didn't have".
When his daughter was aged about 15, he said, she began self-harming.
She later left a note for her parents on their bed detailing the alleged abuse by Sewell against her.
The man said he and his wife and daughter went to Sewell's house to meet the defendant and his wife where they handed them a copy of the letter.
"He (Sewell) actually laughed but didn't say anything," the witness told the court.
"His wife did all the talking and said 'If you show this to the elders (of the church) we are finished, you won't be coming round to our house any more and we won't be having anything to do with you, you will be cut off.'"
He said despite the fact that it Jehovah's Witnesses believe that to "bring someone to account and to find guilt" at least two witnesses to an incident were required the family still felt the matter should be raised with the church.
He added: "The other thing Jehovah's Witnesses believe is that the victim has to do the challenging so I'm afraid my daughter, who was 15 or 16, had to attend a meeting in the Kingdom Hall with two elders."
Following that meeting it had to be decided "whether there was a case to answer", he said.
Around the same time the witness, who was a long-serving member of the church at the time, was asked to meet with a woman and her husband at their home.
The woman claimed she had been raped by Sewell and made the allegation at a meeting which was also attended by the defendant's father, Anthony Sewell, who was then an elder in the church.
Before the pair left the home, the man told the court, Anthony Sewell said something "quite startling" to the woman and her husband.
The witness said they were told: "We will handle this. You might not even hear anything more about it."
Giving evidence in court the man said: "As he said those words I remember thinking 'This is crazy, what do you mean they won't hear any more about it?' But that's what he said."
Outside the house, he said, Anthony Sewell argued for the rape claim against his son to be "kept between us to handle".
He added: "What I was hearing was foreign to what I knew was the right thing to do."
The man said he informed the chair of the elders in Barry - known as the presiding overseer and then a man by the name of Tom Brown - about the claims and he said he would "think about it".
The witness said: "I have to say I was absolutely astounded."
He then met a travelling overseer - an elder from outside of the congregation - and told him what had happened and the matter was passed to the church's head office in London.
"I do remember head office in London saying thy would not accept any more phone calls from the people in Barry congregation until they find out what's going on," he added.
Officials at head office appointed a seven-man committee to investigate what had happened.
As a result Tom Brown was stripped of his post as presiding overseer but remained as an elder, while Anthony Sewell was removed as an elder.
"He was removed as being an elder because of events he concealed and tried to conceal," the witness said.
A four-man committee then investigated the claims of assault and rape against Sewell, resulting in him being 'disfellowshipped', which meant being removed from the church and "shunned" by other Witnesses.
The alleged victim's father told the court: "I was privy to the reasons [he was disfellowshipped] in that I wanted to know 'did you discover, did he say he did those things, did he admit to you?'
"All I was told was because it was one person's word against another and there weren't two witnesses the matter couldn't really be established.
"But he was disfellowshipped because of his belligerent and unforgiving attitude."
While giving evidence the man told Merthyr Tydfil Crown Court: "During that period, though not necessarily within the Sewell family, some of the elders were spiritually corrupt and morally bankrupt."
A friend of the first alleged victim also told the court Sewell kissed her and told her to remove her bra so he could give her a massage.
The woman - now in her 30s - claimed fellow worshipper Sewell would kiss her on the lips and once gave her a massage in the living room of his home where he would also hold weekly Bible study groups.
The woman, who is not one of four alleged victims in the case, told the court she was "intimidated" by church elder Sewell.
Between 1985 and 1995 Sewell is alleged to have abused two young girls and also raped a woman.
He is also accused of indecently assaulting another woman by rubbing his groin against her as she made a cup of tea.
Sewell, wearing a grey suit with a white shirt, dark tie and brown shoes, appeared to be making notes as he followed proceedings on a hearing loop from the glass-fronted dock.
The defendant, of Porthkerry Road in Barry, denies 11 counts of indecent assault and a single count of rape.
The case, which is expected to last three weeks, continues
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How did you teach your kids TTATT? How old were they?
by KateWild inwhen i first started going on "other" jw websites my head was spinning so i didn't say anything to my kids about what i had read.
steve hassan's material helped a lot it was when i read that, that i realised i need to free my kids.. i got a lot of advice from jwn too.. my daughter had moved cities and went to the hall we used to visit frequently.
things changed when she became a member instead of just a visitor.
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Trolleys everywhere in my neck of the woods
by KateWild ini went to an appointment today and what do you know a trolley.. i couldn't stop and chat, but i have another appoinment thursday, i will go early and have a chat.
i love this it's great fun chatting to jws whilst being df'd.. any ideas for my presentation?.
do you think i am harming myself?.
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How did you teach your kids TTATT? How old were they?
by KateWild inwhen i first started going on "other" jw websites my head was spinning so i didn't say anything to my kids about what i had read.
steve hassan's material helped a lot it was when i read that, that i realised i need to free my kids.. i got a lot of advice from jwn too.. my daughter had moved cities and went to the hall we used to visit frequently.
things changed when she became a member instead of just a visitor.
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Hey KateW,
This is a good topic! I’ve been endeavoring to teach my 10 year old critical thinking on various topics. It is beginning to take a hold of his everyday reasoning; he is a very easy going kid, always eager to please. Since he will be attending the convention with his father this summer, I thought it would be good to discuss 1914 and the ‘generation‘.We got out the bound volumes and we talked about the cover of the 5/15/84 Watchtower “1914, The generation that will not pass away”. Then I showed him the names of each of the people and the days that they died. We reasoned together about what that all meant. We discussed critical thinking, false prophesy and hypocrisy.
A bit later, I had him read from a bound volume “If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this system of things….you will never fulfill any career that this system offers….“We talked about what he thought that meant. After our discussion, I showed him that the article was from the 5/22/1969 Awake- 45 years ago! He was amazed. We then discussed again about false prophesy. The bound volumes were left on the table and I caught him looking at the articles again. Apparently, it made him think….
I will have to tell my story in detail at another time; but my son knows about that I stopped being active because of the Watchtower’s stance on child abuse issues; and I believed that after we talked about 1914, he understood a little more of the depth of my convictions…..
... and here I thought we were doing so well….My son is at this dad’s for one of the 4 weeks summer vacation weeks. As I was typing the above, my son was in a meeting arranged by his father to become an unbaptized publisher! Because of his fathers past abuses, my son is afraid of getting him upset, so I’m sure he went along with the meeting.
He will not be home until this weekend and I was hesitant to talk in detail with him on the phone, as I’m sure his father is recording the conversations. We will have to do some more in depth conversation when he gets home. God, it never seems to end!
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WT Society Alters their History as " The Party " did in George Orwell's 1984
by flipper infinally my wife and i got around to reading george orwell's " 1984 " .
as many of you know who have read the book that " the party " or " big brother " as the ruling power in the book is called ; constantly changes records of it's past dealings so as to deceive the public about any false forecasts they may have mistakenly made ; in an effort to put forth a positive image of itself it destroys past embarrassing records or paperwork which would expose the " party " as a failure.
much the way the wt society has altered their history to deceive the public and their own members.. notice this quote from george orwell's " 1984 " on pg.
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As a parent, did you ever have a swimming pool and invite neighbor kids?
by 4thgen inbeing 4th generation, i realize that am socially stunted, in regard to those that are not jws.
i am forging ahead and endeavoring to build a life outside of jw's.
i am trying as i can to socialize my child to make friends and be a normal kid.
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WT Society Alters their History as " The Party " did in George Orwell's 1984
by flipper infinally my wife and i got around to reading george orwell's " 1984 " .
as many of you know who have read the book that " the party " or " big brother " as the ruling power in the book is called ; constantly changes records of it's past dealings so as to deceive the public about any false forecasts they may have mistakenly made ; in an effort to put forth a positive image of itself it destroys past embarrassing records or paperwork which would expose the " party " as a failure.
much the way the wt society has altered their history to deceive the public and their own members.. notice this quote from george orwell's " 1984 " on pg.
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4thgen
There are many good threads on this site with reference to the similarities between the WT and the book/movie “1984”. This one is especially insightful with some thought provoking comments and links. I choose bump this thread, so the the newer posters may make the connection.
There is also a great youtube video on the subject
It is amazing how the organization is becoming more and more like the book as the WT removes and changes its failed doctrine via the internet.
Enjoy! 4thgen