A reminder for Witnesses who deny this (page 5)

Schizm

Now, the Jews teach that the Third Heaven is the Highest Heaven, i.e. the dwelling place of God. Paul called that third heaven "paradise." The word "paradise" occurs in four verses in the New World Translation. The three in the NT are Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4; Revelation 2:7.
Of these, 2 Corinthians specifically ties paradise to the highest heaven (unless you believe Gamaliel's star pupil didn't know what "third heaven"). Revelation says that the paradise of God is where "the tree of life" is. Wow! It was lost in Genesis and shows up again in the third heaven. That is incredible!
Maybe now we know where Adam and Eve were cast out of? <—— Just kidding.
AuldSoul

I've discussed this very subject in other threads, and it gets rather tiresome to have to repeat it for anyone who might not have read those threads. Perhaps you won't mind searching thru my posts in order to see my view on the matter of the 3rd heaven that Paul referred to? I will tell you here, though, that it's not the "highest heaven". Instead, it's the heaven in which the angels reside.

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Honesty

You, as well as most others here, need to wake up and smell the roses.

We did wake up, Schizm. That's why we are no longer Watchtower slaves.

Schizm

You, as well as most others here, need to wake up and smell the roses.

We did wake up, Schizm. That's why we are no longer ;Watchtower slaves.

Your reply bears no relevance whatsoever to reason why I said that. You obviously missed the point.

If you just want to see your typewritten words appear on the monitor in front of you, it would make more sense if you pulled up a Word document and typed yourself a letter ... at least no one but you would be able to see the nonsense.

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Enigma One

Schiz...you are a nut bar. But your reply was funny! LOL.

gumby

I happen to be one such persons that have sent in such suggestions, and I've never been looked upon as an apostate nor treated like one. You, as well as most others here, need to wake up and smell the roses.

What he means is......"I happen to be one of those chickenshits who knows if he promotes his views to others and don't just shut up and secretely believe what he feels is the truth, and doesn't continue to fake like he believes all the techings his organisation teaches, then he'll be labeled an apostate like the others who had the balls to get out". He needs to smell the roses but he keeps puttin doomsday in the soil.

Gumby

Schizm

I happen to be one such persons that have sent in such suggestions, and I've never been looked upon as an apostate nor treated like one. You, as well as most others here, need to wake up and smell the roses.

What he means is......"I happen to be one of those chickenshits who knows if he promotes his views to others and don't just shut up and secretely believe what he feels is the truth, and doesn't continue to fake like he believes all the techings his organisation teaches, then he'll be labeled an apostate like the others who had the balls to get out". He needs to smell the roses but he keeps puttin doomsday in the soil.
Gumby

A person isn't secretly believing something that he disapproves of and has written the WTS about. A person isn't pretending to believe something that he has voiced his concerns over and written the WTS about.

You continue to make an ass out of yourself, Gumby. Why? Just can't help it?

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Schizm

one of those chickenshits who knows if he promotes his views to others and don't just shut up and secretely believe what he feels is the truth, and doesn't continue to fake like he believes all the techings his organisation teaches, then he'll be labeled an apostate....

Do you realize just how many who post here that do the very things you describe, Bumby?

And here you go calling all of them "chickenshits".

Shame on you for treating your friends with such disdain!

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AuldSoul

Schizm: You, as well as most others here, need to wake up and smell the roses.
I woke up, but not to the smell of roses. Tell me, Schizm, if Christ has set the Faithful and Discreet Slave over all his belongings why is it that all doctrinal points are decided by only a tiny portion of the Faithful and Discreet Slave? Why does the Governing Body answer to itself and to Jehovah, while the Faithful and Discreet Slave answers to the Governing Body?

Since that is the way it works, in reality (where I live), exactly how is the Faithful and Discreet Slave OVER the Governing Body? They aren't even listed on the heirarchical org chart.

Governing Body

Zone Overseers (appointed by te Governing Body, no one asks the FDS)

Branch Overseers (appointed by the Governing Body, no one asks the FDS)

District

Circuit

Elder

Ministerial Servant

Granted, one of the FDS could serve as any of these as long as he wasn't a she. However, the FDS as a group has no position of authority among Jehovah's Witnesses AT ALL. How do you explain that, given the description at Matthew 24:45-47?

AuldSoul

Schizm

AuldSoul,

Tell me, Schizm, if Christ has set the Faithful and Discreet Slave over all his belongings why is it that all doctrinal points are decided by only a tiny portion of the Faithful and Discreet Slave? Why does the Governing Body answer to itself and to Jehovah, while the Faithful and Discreet Slave answers to the Governing Body?
Since that is the way it works, in reality (where I live), exactly how is the Faithful and Discreet Slave OVER the Governing Body? They aren't even listed on the heirarchical org chart.
Granted, one of the FDS could serve as any of these as long as he wasn't a she. However, the FDS as a group has no position of authority among Jehovah's Witnesses AT ALL. How do you explain that, given the description at Matthew 24:45-47?
AuldSoul

I see that you have yet another question for me, even without your having acknowledged the answer I gave you in response to your last question. Is this a game where YOU ask the questions and I have to supply YOU with all the answers, while at the same time YOU don't even have to respond or acknowledge the answers which I supply?

You obviously take me for a sucker. Perhaps you can find someone else to play your little game with you.

BTW, I read your biography in your profile. Regarding the part below that I've put into red font, they did speak the truth. And what is more, is that the WTS is under no obligation to have to answer to you or I as to the reason it registered as an NGO with the UN/DPI (although I know what that "reason" actually was; and I didn't have to ask the WTS in order to find out). There are certain times when the rank and file have to simply trust those who bear the heavy load of leadership. This happened to have been one of those times. If you can't understand that, then that's your problem.

I have committed no immorality. I have only stopped believing that the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses represents the interests of God in any way. I found out about them joining the UN/DPI and wrote two letters to them. One response came to me, the second to the Body of Elders. Neither admitted that they had done anything but *register* with the UN/DPI. I tried to hold them accountable to the standards they impose on me. When I was told by a Circuit Overseer and my father, the Presiding Overseer, that the Organization answers only to itself and to Jehovah, I decided I could no longer trust anything that Organization says. That includes the dangers of 'apostate' Web sites. So, here I am.

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AuldSoul

Schizm, perhaps it escaped your keen powers of perception but your "response" to my last question was to send me on a hunt through the myriad posts you've made for one where you supposedly answered the question about the "third heaven." As soon as I saw that you disagree with the Jews as to what the term "third heaven" means, I knew it would be futile to search for your post as it could only express more of what you already said in slightly different terms.

In the earlier discussion, I linked you to a Web site that is a Hebrew dictionary. It states that the term highest heaven refers to the third heaven.

Highest Heaven

(she-may ha-shah-MA-yeem) n. Highest Heaven. The third heaven.

http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Glossary/Hebrew_Glossary_-_H/hebrew_glossary_-_h.html

You failed to respond last time, I assumed you would choose the coward's path this time as well. (Revelation 19:8; Deuteronomy 18:20-22) I see that you attack what you find in my profile instead of answering my question. I understand. It's easy to attack a human based on unfounded human reasoning, isn't it? It's easy to defend a course of action with hypothetical senarios you create in your mind, isn't it? This isn't a discussion about me or my profile. This is a discussion about denial. You are right in the middle of it, but I doubt you realize the fact.

It's a little tougher for you to explain why Hebrews believe the "highest heaven" is the third heaven, while you say it isn't. It's a little tougher for you to explain why Matthew 24:45-47 should mean that the FDS is appointed over everything on earth when OBVIOUSLY the Governing Body holds that position.

So, you take a coward's path. (Revelation 19:8) I understand, you follow an organization that takes the liars path. (John 8:44; 1 Timothy 1:8-11) That's why they need invented laws of men to restrain them. Maybe one day you will choose to stand up for the basis of your beliefs instead of just patronizingly or abusively reciting your (unfounded) beliefs at people, but I'm not holding my breath for that moment to arrive.

Now that I have responded to both your most recent posts to me, why don't you step up to the plate and...think about reality versus the lie.

AuldSoul

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