WT,DEC 1 2005,PP22-23;IS THIS AN INACCURATE STATEMENT?

by badboy 147 Replies latest jw friends

  • Schizm
    Schizm

    jgnat,

    Legal disclaimer

    While we have used our best efforts to verify that the information contained herein is accurate, we make no warranties to that effect, and shall not be liable for any damage that may result from errors or omissions in this exhibit.

    You point me to a site that won't guarantee the accuracy of the information that's found there. Why should I or anyone else put faith in what can be read there?


    Gumby,

    If Schizm can find supporting evidence from the Mayan or Chineese writings that Jehovah gave them a whoopin for not following orders from the Babylonian King....I'll eat his shorts.

    Gumby

    Since I can't point to a history book (other than the Bible, that is) that says that the first man and woman were Adam and Eve, does that prove they weren't the first humans?

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  • Schizm
    Schizm
    Ah, I get it now. Schizm says that these peoples did not have a rich pre-bible history. You claim they simply did not exist and these parts of the earth were uninhabited. -- jgnat.

    You're wrong on both counts. I honestly don't know whether they existed or not at the time we're concerned with, and I don't think you do either.

    Another site which you pointed me to: Nebuchaddnezzar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebuchadnezzar_II_of_Babylon

    Can a person depend on what's said at that site? At that site we read this:

    W IKIPEDIA M AKES N O G UARANTEE O F V ALIDITY

    Wikipedia is an online open-content collaborative encyclopedia, that is, a voluntary association of individuals and groups who are developing a common resource of human knowledge. The structure of the project allows anyone with an Internet connection and World Wide Web browser to alter its content. Please be advised that nothing found here has necessarily been reviewed by professionals with the expertise necessary to provide you with complete, accurate or reliable information.

    That is not to say that you will not find valuable and accurate information in Wikipedia; much of the time you will. However, Wikipedia cannot guarantee the validity of the information found here. The content of any given article may recently have been changed, vandalized or altered by someone whose opinion does not correspond with the state of knowledge in the relevant fields.

    And did you notice the part at the bottom, 'The content of any given article may have been altered by someone with a different opinion.'

    Is "history" really debatable? Is it so undependable that it's subject to personal opinion?

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  • Schizm
    Schizm
    What we have here is one person that no one else on this board sees fit to agree with. -- startingover.

    Oh but how wrong you are, startingover! Fact is that Gumby agrees with me that I'm a bastard.

    Definition of "bastard": A person who is held to be disagreeable.

    Hmmm ... that must mean that you're a bastard too, eh startingover? Heck, by definition we all must be bastards!

    Yup, I so disagree a lot. Why? 'Cause jgnat and Gumby don't know what the hell they're talking about most of the time.

    .

  • startingover
    startingover

    Invariably on forums like this, there arises a discussion where someone is told they need to check their sources. That has happened quite a bit in this thread.

    It's a good idea I guess, since I have read things on one site that I later discovered on another site word for word. So how does one decide what is a trusted source? I would really like to know what others use as a criteria for doing that.

    Schizm, it seems you question every source but stop short of doing that with the bible. But if you did that this discussion would not have gotten this far.

    Thanks for posting the definition for "bastard". I guess "disgreeable" was not a word I would have necessarily associated with "bastard". But I looked it up and there it was. But maybe I should question the source, I mean why should I trust dictionary.com. Where does it end?

  • Schizm
    Schizm
    But maybe I should question the source, I mean why should I trust dictionary.com.

    I would be surprised if the dictionaries we use are flawless. But who needs a dictionary to learn the most important things in life? A dictionary doesn't teach us the reason why we and our loved ones die. A dictionary doesn't inform us of where we are in the stream of time. Actually, a dictionary isn't even an absolute necessity. God though IS an absolute necessity. What hope would we have without God? And the written communication from him, the Bible, is also an absolute necessity. Where would we be without the Bible? Without it, everthing would be left to the imagination. I personally would find that to be an awfully uncomfortable spot to be in.

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  • City Fan
    City Fan

    Schizm,

    Why did Nebuchadnezzar build the Median Wall?

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    The evidence is not just in books. These sources speak of the earthly evidence still carved in the land. The uncertainty will always be in the details, for any book, because we were not there.

    We certainly do know that there were civilizations thriving around the world at the same time as the Babylonian one. There were civilizations thriving around the world at the same time as the Roman one. There is physical evidence. From what I can tell, Schizm, you have challenged my understanding of history from two angles. First of all, that it is possible that these nations could have conquered these parts of the world, because how did those people get there? You are theorizing that the Romans/Babylonians followed the same route. Or second, if that did not happen, that these peoples did not exist at all, and rose up after the Babylonian/Roman ones. I've challenged you in two areas. 1. Continuity of culture and literature. These other civilizations, Chinese and Mayan, (but there are hundreds of others) did not absorb any features of the Roman or Babylonian cultures; either in language, food, or any other feature. There are no monuments in these countries in the style of Babylon or Rome. 2. Proof of existence pre-Babylonian. Their calendars go back before the Babylonians. This is certain, even if minor features are not. Others have asked you why these admittedly vast empires built walls. You have not addressed any of that. You would not be required to make these gymnastic hoops of logic, schizm, if you re-examined your interpretation of the whole world. As a matter of perspective, It is very likely that for the Romans and the Babylonians, their empires were close enough to the whole world. To them.

  • gumby
    gumby
    Since I can't point to a history book (other than the Bible, that is) that says that the first man and woman were Adam and Eve, does that prove they weren't the first humans

    What if I could show you the first human pair WERE NOT the biblical Adam and Eve?

    According to little Freedie Franz and many other celebrated scholars(tm).. 6000 years is about the age of the first human pair.....correct? If you agree with some bible chronologies that say so, then you would have to say that mans history cannot exceed 6000 years.........correct?

    Gumby

  • TopHat
    TopHat
    all of these things should be understood to be limited to specific locality and not in fact to a global dimension. This was the "known" world to and for those Bible writers, they had no knowledge of the unknown parts of it or they would have included or dealt with such in their writing.

    -Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.

    No, the Bible writers didn't know, but God did, and didn't God inspire the writings?

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    God-inspired, but written by men to their audience. Here's another example,

    Rabbit Chews the Cud?

    The apologist takes an untenable stand as soon as he demands that the bible be accurate to every degree.

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