Biblical PROOF that Jesus Christ IS GOD (page 2)

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Before you go spouting off about what the NWT has added or left out, you might check all the italicized words in the King James Version. There are hundreds of them. They ALL represent ADDITIONS to the English text to make sense in translating from the Hebrew text. Then, there are things that the King James Version adds that were never in the original Bible text to begin with, such as 1 John 5:7. Check it out, 1 John 5:7 is an addition to the Bible for which there is absolutely no ancient textual evidence!!!

My only question to those who say Jesus was/is God, is the following:

Why then does Jesus have a God? (John 20:17; Revelation 3:12) Nowhere does the Father say He has a God over Him. But the Revelation verse shows that even in heaven, Jesus has a God. Not much equality there, is it?

pomegranate

>>Why then does Jesus have a God? (John 20:17; Revelation 3:12) Nowhere does the Father say He has a God over Him. But the Revelation verse shows that even in heaven, Jesus has a God. Not much equality there, is it?<<

John 20:17
17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

If the image and likeness premise above is true, reconciling Jesus statement could be compared to the created reflection, right?

If Jesus is "God" and the Father is "God", and they were complementary opposite to each other like the male and female (man) were created, wouldn't the term "God" be the term Christ would use to identify his returning to his other "half?"

Hairdog1937

"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God" - John 1:1.

There is more in this verse to support the deity of Jesus Christ than one might think. Anyone care to discuss it?

Oh yes, a word of caution. I have been a student of Koine Greek for some 25 years.

P.S. to Mark: I'm a native Californian, senior citizen, male.

Hairdog

dubla

hairdog-

:"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God" - John 1:1.
There is more in this verse to support the deity of Jesus Christ than one might think. Anyone care to discuss it?

.....one could seemingly support christ as a diety in this verse, the problem with this verse supporting the trinity is another issue though.

the words "in the beginning" also refer to the creation on the heavens and the earth in the bible, so this verse certainly implies jesus was present and in existance during initial creation. but.....it does not however support jesus being "always" in existance as god is known to be from various other versus ("alpha and omega", etc.). so........

was jesus "always" here, or was he created? 1 john 3:16 (im sure you are all familiar)....."god gave his only begotten son"......."begotten" coming from the word "beget"....just as cain and able are referred to as begotten of adam, fathered, created. {american heritage dictionary of the english language- "begotten" or "beget": to cause to exist; produce.} so then, one could certainly conclude that jesus was "caused to exist" (not always existing as god) or produced (created), which no doubt implies his obvious inequality with god.

god and jesus are connected, i dont think to many would ever argue that. but does this verse conclusively say jesus and god are equal? im sure most would agree there are many more scriptures that back up jesus being rather on a lower plane than god........certainly he was not praying to himself in the garden, asking himself to "take this cup [of death] away", was he? surely if he and god were equals, he would have known that he planned on following through with the sacrifice, and would have no reason for asking to reverse the process. what sense would this have made to pray for??

thoughts?

aa

dubla

what happened to bibleboy and hairdog?

aa

Bibleboy

Peace be with you All. Maranatha! Hallelujah!

THANK YOU HAIRDOG for following a simple request of mine.

this was the request:

>>before I get started, My name is Mark Whitmore, 20, I live in

>>Vancouver, Canada, and I am a Follower of The WAY, a True

>>Christian, not a JW. If you reply, please post who you are, how old

>>and what you believe so that I know where you are coming from.

>>Thanks.

This I know about Hairdog: He's a Native Californian senior citizen, and mail who's been a student of Koine Greek for some 25 years.

This proves his comprehension of reading and thus his ability to READ it properly; to exegete scriptures properly.

And until such time when you people respond with your information as such, I will hold off on ALL replies, even though there is SOOO much I wish to share with you all.

All in Love, and admonishing in the Truth.

In Jesus' Precious Name,

dubla

bibleboy-

:This I know about Hairdog: He's a Native Californian senior citizen, and mail who's been a student of Koine Greek for some 25 years.
This proves his comprehension of reading and thus his ability to READ it properly; to exegete scriptures properly.
And until such time when you people respond with your information as such, I will hold off on ALL replies, even though there is SOOO much I wish to share with you all.

oh jeez, guess we should have all read more carefully. first off, hairdog saying he has been a student of koine greek for 25 years proves nothing, but ill play along regardless. hey mark, my name is aaron, im 26 yrs old, i live in south bend, indiana, and im not a member of any particular religion (i do believe in god and the bible, and as far as my views on the trinity, im sure you can surmise that from my posts).

thanks,

aa

Francois

OH JOY! Another know-it-all.

Just what we need. Bibleboy. Boy is right.

FT

biblexaminer

While the doctrine of Trinity is "confusing" to the carnal, or unsaved, it is simply one of God's mysteries to the Spiritual, or saved.

Starting out like this is typical of the Watchtower. Shoving undocumented drivel in the face of the reader at the outest, and labeling all who differ as un-Christian.. well there's a name for that tactic now -isn't there!

Go read your Bible and when you advance from bibleboy to bibleMAN, you will have finally come of age.

If you reply, please start of by explaining John chapter 17, where Jesus prays to ...himself?

Even I know, after being brainwashed, that to accept your line of reasoning is not reasoning at all. I have been given "intellectual capacity" as a Christian, by which to "discern truth", and your way of presenting material, as well as your lack of reason, added to your self-postualtion and self-righteousness betray not Christianity, but rather darkness.

Only the fool says "I don't have to explain"... aka: "it's a mystery"

dubla

bibleboy-

i have give you the information you requested (age, name, location), yet you still refuse to respond to any of my previous posts. why?

aa

Biblical PROOF that Jesus Christ IS GOD

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