Biblical PROOF that Jesus Christ IS GOD

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  • dubla
    dubla

    bibleboy-

    in the "nit-picking" dept.....

    and jdubla, go take English 101 again. You obviously miss the point if you have to nit-pick all the time.

    you are telling ME to go take english 101 again, and then you follow this statement up by a grammatically incorrect sentence. let me help you bibleboy.....here's a quick lesson from english 101 (maybe we should go take it again together.).......

    "you obviously miss the point....." this is incorrect. you should say either "you have obviously missed the point..." or "you are obviously missing the point....." or "you obviously missed the point...." -any of these would be grammatically correct, but yours is not. simple english 101 i guess. you continue to make your ignorance known to all.

    aa

  • Reslight
    Reslight

    I tried to post this yesterday, but kept getting error message.

    23. do good . . . evil--give any proof at all of your power, either to reward your friends or punish your enemies (Psalms 115:2-8).
    that we may be dismayed, and behold it together--MAURER translates, "That we (Jehovah and the idols) may look one another in the face (that is, encounter one another, 2 Kings 14:8,11), and see" our respective powers by a trial. HORSLEY translates, "Then the moment we behold, we shall be dismayed." "We" thus, and in English Version, refers to Jehovah and His worshippers -- Fausset, A. R., A.M. "Commentary on Isaiah 41". "Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible". < http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/JamiesonFaussetBrown/jfb.cgi?book=isa&chapter=041>;. 1871.

    41:23 Do good - Protect your worshippers whom I intend to destroy, and destroy my people whom I intend to save. That - That I and my people may be astonished, and forced to acknowledge your godhead. -- Wesley, John. "Commentary on Isaiah 41". "John Wesley's Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible". < http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/WesleysExplanatoryNotes/
    wes.cgi?book=isa&chapter=041>. 1754

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    That stuff is pure non sense.

    Those man made "scholars" are sadly mistaken.

    YHWH is two.

    Man is two (male and female)

    In the image and likeness of God.

    John 5:23
    23...all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father.

    Honor No more, Honor no less. Honor exactly the same

    You do not honor the Son JUST as you do the Father. Bad.

  • Bibleboy
    Bibleboy

    jdubla

    "You obviously miss the point..." as in "You obviously DO miss the point..."

    -Present tense
    -with you, present tense and ongoing tense

    cya guys around. This can of worms is going bad.

    Peace.

    Mark

  • ianao
    ianao

    pomegranate:

    Are you a professed polytheist?

  • dubla
    dubla

    bibleboy-

    cya guys around.

    actually, i think you'd need to say either, "cya around guys", or, "see you guys around" (cu, or cyou would work as well). even just cya guys would probably sound ok.

    well mark, i can't say that i'm really sorry to see you go, but if you must, you must. you'll be sorely missed. (isn't it interesting that mark tried to run me off by saying "jdubla, exit stage left, etc..", and now it's actually my jibes to him that have him exiting stage left?? classic irony.) hey, let me know if in the interim you come up with any more facinating analogies to help us all understand the trinity. i know personally, the three-in-one apple really put things in perspective for me, and then the kicker was the presidential example. saying that jfk and bush are both referred to as "mr. president", really hammered home the fact that two seperate beings could actually be ONE being. didn't it everyone? (or do they both just posess the same title? hmmm, maybe i am confused again).

    take care mark, god bless!! hallelujah!! you'll be in my prayers that your eyes may be someday opened!!

    aa

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    >>pomegranate:
    Are you a professed polytheist?<<

    To be more accurate, duotheist.

    Man is duohomistic, God is duotheistic.

    How can one God be two? The same as His image and likeness, man is two.

    The two become one flesh.
    I and the Father are one.

    As in heaven so on earth.

  • Reslight
    Reslight

    [[YHWH is two. Man is two (male and female)]]

    The above does not say exactly how Yahweh is supposed to be two. If one uses the illustration of man as male and female, are we to assume that God is two beings, one male being and one female being, as are human beings, and that these two beings are joined as one in some kind of marriage, as man and wife? That the human race consists of two different kinds of beings does not mean that God also is two different beings (in one being?).

    At any rate, the Bible says that God is one, not two.

    Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is one.

    This one Yahweh speaks to the Lord (Jesus) whom he has appointed, the one he anointed (christened):

    Psalm 110:1 - Yahweh says to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand, Until I make your enemies your footstool for your feet."
    See also: Matthew 22:42-46; Mark 12:35-37; Luke 22:41; Mark 16:19; Acts 2:34; Ephesians 1:20-22; Hebrews 12:2; 1 Peter 3:22; Psalm 2:2,6-9 45:6,7; 1 Corinthians 15:25; Hebrews 1:3,13; 10:12,13; Isaiah 61:1; Acts 2:36.

    http://reslight.addr.com/l-trinity.html

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    >>>[[YHWH is two. Man is two (male and female)]]

    The above does not say exactly how Yahweh is supposed to be two. If one uses the illustration of man as male and female, are we to assume that God is two beings, one male being and one female being,<<

    "Assuming" always gets one into trouble. Christ clearly defined no genders in heaven, so SEX, male and female are NOT what's the image and likeness of God, but rather simply the NUMBER TWO, and the complementary nature of the two beings in question, whether of the flesh or of the Spirit.

    Two rooms in the tabernacle and temple. Two rooms make one tabernacle. Two rooms make one temple. Both structures depicted a shadow of my God above. Most Holy = Father Holy = Son.

    God is described as a complementary two very often in the Bible. Alpha and Omega, First and Last, Beginning and End etc. All those phrases depict dual complementary images, just as the male and female are in the IMAGE AND LIKENESS of God, the complementary parts of the one flesh. Father and Son are the complimentary parts of the one God.

    >>as are human beings, and that these two beings are joined as one in some kind of marriage, as man and wife?<<

    Why DOES THAT offend you? Those chosen to be the bride of Christ (I'm MALE by the way) are to be joined in marriage to the Christ. MY GENDER IS DROPPED my friend when I become one with my Savior IN MARRIAGE. A female's gender is dropped when the union of the spirit happens TO HER. And ALL who are chosen join to Christ in the spirit AS A MARRIAGE, so Christ is joined to the Father IN A SPIRITUAL MARRIAGE ARRAGEMENT.

    The Apostle Paul made this VERY UNION plain to those with eyes to see:

    Eph 5:31-32
    31 "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." 32 This is a profound mystery-but I am talking about Christ and the church.

    >>That the human race consists of two different kinds of beings does not mean that God also is two different beings (in one being?).<<

    Christ made the assertion HIMSELF. "I and the Father are One."

    >>At any rate, the Bible says that God is one, not two.

    Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is one.<<

    YHWH IS UNITED.

    That means UNITED not a numerical singularity. The Hebrew word means both the number AND it also means UNIFICATION. YHWH is one, as man is one, even though there are two that exist in each NATURE.

    God is a nature of existence NOT a being of singularity.

    >>>This one Yahweh speaks to the Lord (Jesus) whom he has appointed, the one he anointed (christened):

    >>Psalm 110:1 - Yahweh says to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand, Until I make your enemies your footstool for your feet."<<<

    When one in power has another sit at their right hand, that denotes something very obvious. Christ, sitting at the right hand of One with power, is NOT sitting above that One (higher in power), NOR sitting below that One(lower in power) but sitting BESIDE THAT ONE(EQUAL IN POWER.) You could say Christ was given HEADSHIP for a day.

    Eph 1:20-22
    20 which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be HEAD over everything for the church,

    While Christ is HEAD over everything, guess who's sitting BESIDE HIM?? DADDY. Two heads are better than one.

    That was the reward given to the submissive half of God. Then, once all creation has been reconciled, the one who's reward was to SIT BESIDE the Father in God (not greater than, not less than), temporarily as HEAD, he WILLINGLY goes back underneath as the God in subjection to the God Head, the Father, so GOD CAN BE ALL IN ALL. (The caps are literal)

    Father = Head (God)
    Christ = Subjection (God)

    Male = Head (Man)
    Female = Subjection (Man)

    Rom 1:19-20
    19 since what may be known about God is PLAIN to them, because God has made it PLAIN to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

    TWO. The DIVINE NATURE IS TWO. Just like everything else in creation. You are now without excuse. You can't tell God you didn't know! Because I just told ya so. :-)

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi BibleBoy: I was raised Roman Catholic, an a believer in the Trinity. I became a JW, where I stayed for 25 years. I left the JWs officially in 1995, and associated with the Baptists and then Assembly of God, Dawn Bible Students, Christian Reform, Presbyterian, and a couple of non-denominatinal group. I am now affiliated with no religious organization.

    You said this, "While the doctrine of Trinity is "confusing" to the carnal, or unsaved, it is simply one of God's mysteries to the Spiritual, or saved."

    Confusing to the unsaved.
    Mystery to the save.

    There is essentiall no difference between these two statements, but yet another example of slight-of-hand manipulation of words to draw a distinction where none can be drawn.

    The Bible can lend itself to the Trinity doctrine and it can lend itself to non-Trinitarian doctrine. The Bible neither endorses nor condemns the Trinity. It never make acceptance or rejection of the Trinity a matter of Salvation. Human dogma and religions make this a matter of more importance. - Amazing

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