Biblical PROOF that Jesus Christ IS GOD

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  Bibleboy

  there's nothing wrong with quoting somebody that you are in agreement and unity with.
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  Bibleboy

  May the Love of the God and His peace be with you.

  There's nothing to support that the image and likeness of God is male and female. God is not male AND female!

  I hope I have not come across in an UNloving manner that would get you so upset. If I have I apologise and say to you that I love you just as God loves you.

  Praise the Living God for He is good to me and my family.
  I am praying for all of you.
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  pomegranate

  >>There's nothing to support that the image and likeness of God is male and female.<<

  Gen 1:27
  ...in the image of God he created him;
  male and female he created them.

  Gen 5:1-2
  When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female...

  God is TWO that complement each other, in the image and likeness of the male and female. You are correct in that they are NOT literally male and female, as there is no gender in heaven. They are are a complementary TWO, like male and female, first and last, beginning and end, alpha and omega...Just as it is written.

  If God calls, follow the voice of Him not men.

  Like you, I am just a man.

  Ask Him.
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  accuracy

  For the past 1,700 years philosophers masquerading as biblical Greek theologians have attempted to deny the central truth of the Bible that Jesus is the Son of God, not "God the Son." During that time such "theologians" have used all manner of obtuse arguments and circuitous "proofs" and invented concepts, in an attempt to override the simple and clear message of the New Testament: Jesus, as the Son of God, is subordinate to his Father, not equal to Him. As on earth, so in heaven, and so for eternity. The verses which demonstrate this are so well-known that I will not quote them here. But they can stand on their own. They are the Word of God, which I much prefer to the idle cogitations of man.
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  Hairdog1937

  aa:

  Here's a simple reply to your posts where you think that I contradicted myself:

  John 1:1 gives great evidence for the deity of Jesus Christ. It is not "proof."

  The whole Bible gives "proof" for the deity of Jesus Christ.

  He who has ears to hear will hear; he who doesn't, won't.

  Jesus is Jehovah God.

  Hope this is simple enough for you,

  Hairdog
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  pomegranate

  John 1:1
  1:1 In the beginning was the Word

  Gen 1:1
  1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

  3 And God said, "Let there be light," <<Word of God
  6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse <<Word of God
  9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place <<Word of God
  11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation:<<Word of God
  14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky:<<Word of God
  20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures,<<Word of God
  24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures,<<Word of God
  26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness,<<Word of God

  John 1:1
  and the Word was God.

  John 1:14
  14 The Word became flesh (no longer God)

  Phil 2:6-7
  6 Who, being in very nature God,
  did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
  7 but made himself nothing,
  taking the very nature of a servant,
  being made in human likeness.
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  Bibleboy

  Peace to the Pom!

  Pom: John 1:14
  14 The Word became flesh (no longer God)

  * * * (no longer God) * * *

  So, Pomegranate, do you, by stating this, confess that Jesus Christ WAS God?

  Peace.
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  pomegranate

  I profess this as my belief:

  Remember, Adam and Eve had a beginning (finite), the Father and Son did not (infinite). Contrast.

  OK...

  Adam in flesh, the male, by himself as ONE, was the image and likeness of God. Even though I "see" only one man, I know from the story, out of the one man that I "see" visually, there is another "man" inside (Eve)

  Compare the image and likeness to the reality:

  God in spirit, was looked upon by the spirit world as one spirit body, like Adam. The spirit world only "saw" one God, as we only saw one man. But because of the example of "image and likeness" God has given, I now see that one spirit body was actually two, one within the other. Eve seperating from Adam (physicaly, one within the other), was in the image and likeness of Jesus seperating from the Father (spiritually, one within the other.)

  Adam gave birth to Eve.
  God gave birth to Jesus.

  As man gave birth to man.
  God gave birth to God.

  John 3:6
  6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

  Seperation. The two who were together infinitely in Love, divorced for the sake of creation.

  As the finite man Adam gave birth to a finite man Eve
  the infinite God Father gave birth to an infinte God Son.

  The two that had a beginning.
  The two that had no beginning.

  Yes Bibleboy, I believe Jesus Christ is God as much as Eve was "man."

  Jesus Christ was FORMERLY God when he left heaven to become a man. He left Divinity in heaven TOTALLY to become exactly like us.

  THAT BLOWS MY MIND
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  Hairdog1937

  Dear Mr. aa:

  You said: “-um, come on hairdog, who do you think youre kidding with these constant references to "preconceived opinions"? for one thing, frenchy didnt directly address YOU in the first place, so how do you know frenchy was speaking of YOUR insight of john 1:1?”

  Me: By golly, Mr. aa, I think you got me there. Silly old (very old, by the way) me. I just naturally assumed that, since it was indicated as a reply to my post that it was directed towards me. Man, do I owe you an apology. Sure am sorry ‘bout that. Oh, by the way. A synonym for “preconceived opinion” is eisegesis (and, by the way, it’s in the dictionary).

  Then you said: “…(which just for a side note, a quick check in "one of your favorite secular writings", websters dictionary, will show you that the word "exegete" is only used in noun form, not verb; you could not have "exegeted" anything, as "exegeted" is not even a word. funny that a man who loves to throw around his vast knowledge of diction like yourself wasnt already aware of this).”

  Me: Ah, yes, Mr. aa, “exegete” in English sure enough is a noun. Gosh, I fell into my old habit of using a Greek verb to express myself. Once again, I made a boo-boo. Please forgive me. By the way, did you know that English has no word of its own for “exegesis,” or “exegete;” that instead these words are transliterations? So we illiterate people had to borrow a word from the Greeks. We did the same thing with “baptize,” too, since we didn’t have that word in our English language, either. We are such a bunch of linguistic lackeys!

  My “English” verb (of which the infinitive is “to exegete”) comes from the Greek word, “exeigeomai.” You may wish to look up its multiple meanings in your Greek lexicon. It has many meanings, of which two are to “expound, or “interpret.”

  Then you said: “and lets assume frenchy was speaking of you, which since frenchy is speaking on the topic of greek grammar in this discussion, (a topic you added), i think its a safe bet. wouldnt it be a perfectly normal assumption, (not a preconceived opinion), that your discussion of john 1:1, even though not specifically addressing the trinity, is relating to the trinity? considering the fact that your very first post was in reply to everyone else on this thread, which was started by bibleboy SPECIFICALLY speaking of the trinity, i think this was a very safe assumption on frenchys part, as well as the rest of the posters on this thread. yet you continue to hide behind technicalities such as whether or not you specifically mentioned the trinity doctrine, in order to discount everyone elses viewpoints/arguments on the matter. (and im sure if you really try hard, you can break down this very post grammatically and technically, therefore proving it in your mind unworthy of notice).”

  Me: Wow! Was I really that unclear? Time for another apology, I guess. Color it “extended” if you will, please. Let me clarify for you exactly what I meant. I wish to point out that no doctrine can be totally established on just one verse from Scripture. Evidence can be provided, but that should be the limit (see the definitions of theses two “high-tech” words below). Therefore, I was attempting to convey that John 1:1 does not establish any doctrine of the trinity or anything else. It simply is my starting point for manifesting evidence. This verse provides evidence for the deity of Jesus Christ. As a result, it MAY also provide evidence for the trinity. BY ITSELF, however, John 1:1 proves no doctrine. I hope that this makes it perfectly clear what I meant. If not, please let me know so that I might further assist you in your apparent bafflement.

  In your p.s., you said: “im sure i speak for all of us when i say that we love the conclusive way you end all your posts, avoiding any doubt in our minds that youve achieved complete perfection in your proofs/evidences. example: ‘I appreciate the opportunity to give evidence, as provided by John 1:1, that the Word is the eternal Being.’”

  Me: When I use the word, “proof,” I mean that there is a cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact. John 1:1 does not provide proof for the doctrine of the trinity. “Evidence” means something that provides testimony that aids in ascertaining the truth of a matter. It is a “beginning;” not completely conclusive. John 1:1 gives me evidence.

  I appreciate the opportunity to give evidence, as provided by John 1:1, that the Word is the eternal Being.

  Hairdog
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  Bibleboy

  Pom,

  Peace and Love be with you as Jesus Christ is with us all.

  you used a scripture from Philippians, I'd like to expand on that.

  Philippians 2:5-11
  5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
  6 Who, being in very nature[1] God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
  7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature[2] of a servant, being made in human likeness.
  8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death-- even death on a cross!
  9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
  10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
  11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

  In otherwords, Jesus Humbled himself for OUR sake; In order to save us. The bible says that He returned to His place in heaven and has deity.

  Even on earth He called himself God. He was refering to 'YHWH' (Tetragrammaton) when He said the following words:

  John 8:58-59
  58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
  59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

  But Philippians 2 metions that Jesus "6 Who, being in very nature[1] God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature[2] of a servant, being made in human likeness." because he came to 'hang out' with sinners and not the Pharisees or Saducees or Judaizers.

  Matthew 9:13
  13 But go and learn what this means: `I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

  Mark 2:17
  17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

  Luke 5:32
  32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

  Interesting enough as it says in Philippians 2:10-11 that every knee shall bow and tongue confess Jesus Christ is Lord, it also says the same about God the Father in Isaiah 45; with God the Father also declaring that HE is the ONLY SAVIOUR. Now tell me, how can ANYONE be saved through Jesus Christ (Saviour in the New Testament) if Jesus Christ is not God given the following biblical evidence?:

  Isaiah 45:22-24
  22 "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.
  23 By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
  24 They will say of me, `In the LORD alone are righteousness and strength.'" All who have raged against him will come to him and be put to shame.

  Jesus Christ did not give up his deity entirely or forever. remember John 8:58-59 which I quoted earlier? Also, the following scripture helps to support that.

  Hebrews 13:8
  8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

  You are right from before. I didn't exegete properly and even committed a bit of isagesis. The Lord please forgive me for that and not hold a judgement on me because I am about to correct it.

  Pom, I said that the "IMAGE" of God was "body soul and spirit." Please forgive me. BUT, I know that God DID CREATE humans to be tripart beings.

  1st Thessalonians 5:23
  23 May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

  While it does NOT say that it is the IMAGE of God. It DOES say that we ARE INDEED tripart beings. There is not three of us but ONE of us made of three parts. An apple has three parts, skin, flesh and core, but it is STILL ONE APPLE.

  And since God Almighty is THE CREATOR and the God of ALL mankind, (Genesis chapter 1, John 1:3, and Jeremiah 32:26-27), and since GOD CREATED man and NO OTHER, (Genesis 1:27-31, 2:7, 2:18, 2:21-23), then God create man a tripart being: Body, Soul, and Spirit.

  Whether it is God's "IMAGE" or not, that's what the bible says we are and that's how God created us. Glory to God.

  In Peace and Love,
  May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
  Amen.