Reform....why? (page 4)

Deacon

You know...

You know, you cant read or comprehend.
I stated that as an elder I would have no problem disfellowshipping you. I did not say I now serve in that capacity.

Go tell your elders of your present mindset..of your prophesies...go tell them of your involvement here..

I give you 45 minutes of their time before you are disfellowshipped.

for that is the law you are under.

I KNOW that you are classed as apostate as does every other poster on this board....

its in the rules youknow...

get this and get it good...by definition of the religion you adhere to, you are a filthy no good scummy worthless piece of dung waiting to be destroyed at Armageddon by virtue of your prophecies and being here...

Want proof? just do what I suggest above....

Approved association with Jehovahs Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible including those scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovahs Witnesses.

Watchtower April 1st 1986 page 31.

Your defence is bluster, your logic has been assailed and your grip on reality is tenuous...

You Know

Go tell your elders of your present mindset..of your prophesies...go tell them of your involvement here..

I have. / You Know

metatron

Perhaps Jehovah will inspire his organization to stop lying
about the future or stop covering up child molesters.

Of course, that would be "new light" - we shouldn't 'run ahead'

metatron

JT

YK says:

Go tell your elders of your present mindset..of your prophesies...go tell them of your involvement here..

I have. / You Know

@@@@@@@@@ for some reason i actually believe him and for those of us who have served as elders know why--

YK is considered as an outcast in his hall- as JR Brown put it so well- any male jw who holds no title is "Lacking Spirtually" something to that affect

anyone who has served as an elder recalls all those late nights with the CO discussing those male jw like YK

these are the guys you wouldn't trust with a "Mike"

in fact i think for many of us who have been around for awhile and for some who maynot, all can recall that almost every hall has eithe a Brother or Sister who is " A FEW FRIES SHORT OF A HAPPY MEAL"

EVERYONE even the little kids start to snicker the minute they see their hand go up and the poor bro on the stage with no one to call on but THEM-

WELL that is YK deacon- anytime a JW who is Young and holds no title annouces that he "Annointed" the avg body of elders knowsa that they got ONE OF THEM on their hands "A few cards short of a full deck"

not to TRY AND dog my boy but merely to state how HIS PEOPLE VIEW HIM
he is simply an OUTCAST his views are laughed at and discarded the minute he finish stating them

so personally i can see him telling some elder "I surf the net and hang with the apostates" and the elder will respond by saying "Be sure to tell you mom when you get hom we asked about her"- you know the kind 53 and still living with MOM

so as i have always stated THE NET IS IT for my man- it is only here that he can get any resemblance of respect and a listening ear

while i would never tell him not to post- in fact i often show NONJW his post to merely illustrate the Long Term effect of being in WT - smile

the NONJW just love it

so like tell folks this poor jw has tried his hand at predicting the worlds end almost as much as the Boys in Writing and they have the same batting avg on errors 1000%

so don't let YK get you all worked up

instead sit back and enjoy the show

the funniest part is watching how other loyal jw deal with YK- i have often encouraged loyal jw to email thier fellow bro and tell him to lay off the prophecy stuff since it is such a direct violation of what all jw believe- prophecy statements are only to issue for from the FDS not some rengade annointed dude
yet no loyal jw to my knowledge have called him on the carpet at not publicly and if privately IT DIDN'T DO ANY GOOD

so loyal jw are left trying to defend a dude they know if they were called on the carpet would deny in a heart beat

so enjoy the show it gets better with each post of his

james

You Know

The important thing for any lurkers to keep in mind, is that apostates have absolutely no answers for the challenge that I present. That's why they can only try and create a circus sideshow distraction to disguise their absolute impotence in dealing with the issues I put forth---other than outrightly dismissing the Bible.

/ You Know

SixofNine

But the question is...do we have anything to reform?
Are the basic tenets, doctrinal understanding, channelling from God really there within the WTBTS?
If it is, then do have to just wait for Jehovah to rectify it..

No & no to the first part, IMO. As to the second part; since it turns out on close examination that God has not really even made it clear that His name is Jehovah, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to be making concrete plans around a "name" that has pretty much just been made up out of whole clothe by men, men who give no more evidence of having been inspired of God than Earnest Hemingway.

Our lives may have been encapsulated in that crockery, but it is still all just a crock.

SEAKEN2001

Deacon,

good questions. It shows you're thinking. (But why do you acknowledge that idiot YK?)

Most of us who were dedicated to the work of the WTS have thought about reform, usually early on in our journey away from the insanity. I too was eager to work for reform at first. Now, after a few years I would answer your questions with considerable pessimism. The truth is, the JW/IBSA never had anything to do with "truth" or Jehovah, or Christ. It is all a sham, a con. You, and I, have been fooled, hoodwinked, bamboozled, etc. You will have to make your own mind up about Jehovah/Jesus/God, etc. But a little more research will reveal to you that the WTS is not associated with any benevelent God or higher power. They may reform but it will not be toward a more "godly" organization. Hopefully, it will work out as Maximus hopes and there will be adjustments in policies that will make it easier for everyone to get along with their families. But being used by Jehovah? He's not involved. That may sting at first but it is reality. Just like the reality that you will die. It's not what you were hoping for but it is going to happen. It is up to you to reform your own thinking to accept the reality of the situation. Each one will come to that in their own time. (Well, maybe not YK!)

Personally, I see no real harm in entertaining ideas about Christianity and God that cannot be irrefutably proven. God is who you make God to be, not what someone else tells you. You can entertain all sorts of ideas, even from outside Christianity, and then make up your own mind. Rest assured, God will not be dissapointed in you no matter what you adopt as your own belief. I would associate with any local church, Christian or not, if I liked the people and they allowed me to hold to my own beliefs. There is not much chance of that happening in the local JW community. I like most of the people but I can't open my mouth around them for fear I will say something that scares or angers them. If they can someday figure out how to undo all the mind control crap that the org has used up till now to control the free thinking of the brothers and sisters than there may be a chance that I could rejoin their "reformed" group. Do you think that is likely? Anyone? NOT!

So, there really is not much hope of any useful reform toward a more open and accepting organization. The mind control will continue for it is the foundation of what they are all about. They really don't care that I have lost all my family and friends. They just want to keep what they have. They don't want any of us back. And I think they are pretty confident that God is not going to come down out of heaven and destroy them. That kind of fear is for the stupid atomotons who they employ and over whom they play the master. It is a ruse. A variation on the old "hell-fire" ranchor used for centuries by their cousins the Roman Catholic Church.

My choice was to walk away. The healing moved faster after I made that decision. It has allowed me to see things I never acknowledged before about the world we live in. To be sure, the con being played by the WTS is only a tip of the iceburg. You'll want to throw everything out and start over if you're like me. But other's will suggest that you not "throw the baby out with the bathwater". Whatever you are comfortable with. But I can tell you that the Bible used by the Catholics is subject to as much criticism as is the JW's "reformed" translation. Same can be said about all the Protestant variations, and non-Christian religions as well. After experiencing the WTS not much can stand up to scrutiny. I've settled on a position that can be explained with "I'm open to anything and just about anything is possible but I'll be damned if I'm going to adopt anybody else's creed without a good fight". If I've learned anything from this it's that I'm probably not right, whatever I decide is "true", and it could just as easily go the other way, that is, whatever I decide is right. There are no good solid answers to theological questions, with the exception of that which is right for you personally.

Good luck.

Sean

SixofNine

Sean,

You're not 'posa say luck!

Deacon

JT..
Thanks..I spent an hour reading through some of his previous posts and came to the same conclusion...only in my hall, if he had admitted to hanging out wiv 'prostates...we would've dun him..lol..sigh the arrogance of the situation...

however..he is the best reason I have seen in a long time for birth control...

JUSTAMOM

Hello to all and to.....

You Know

I have only ONE comment to this.

You say, "You are the hypocrite, not me! I shudder in horror at the thought that men like you are lurking as elders in the congregations."

WOW!

We shudder in horror at the thought that so-called anointed are lurking as elders in the congregations and posting on this board!

NOW WHOS THE HYPOCRITE!???

Just a thought

JUST A MOM (Kim)

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