lol, julien. Or, in the effort to be consistantly accurate, use the WTB&TS tried and 'true' marketing principle, "...to be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target."
Flip
Remote Viewing
by funkyderek 161 Replies latest jw friends
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ChuckD
Julien,
WRONG! My target was the collection of angst and ennui floating above lower Manhatten.
But you were close!
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Ralph Burton
Chuck,
I'd be willing to be RV some targets you pick out.
Email me and we can discuss it.Ralph
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larc
Ralph and Glenn,
I have set up an experiment with bboy. I sent a description of what I termed "Target A" to one person who posts here. The e mail was sent Sept. 1. If you two would like to discribe this target, I will have the person who has my e mail send the description to this thread. I think that should provide some evidence that I am operating in good faith. If you want to submit your descriptions, feel free.
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Ralph Burton
Derek,
Imagine being in a dark room. You have a pen light.
And you flash it on for a second and you get a glimpse
of what's in the room. Then you point it somewhere else
and get another glimpse. So now you have a bunch of glimpses.
So you try to put them together and describe them as best as possible.
That's what Remote Viewing is like.For me, a hit occurs when the glimpse is correct.
A session will contain hits and misses.
Taking the impressions of your picture:
We can agree that there was a car. That would be a hit.
We can agree there was a guy. That would be a hit.
Was the guy standing? If so, then that was good impression too.
I see those as hits.For me a miss whould be a incorrect perception.
The field would be a miss.I hope this helps explain hits and misses.
Ralph
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julien
Thank goodness this level of accuracy is not tolerated in other fields.
Lawyer: you completely botched this operation.
Heart surgeon: Well I did operate on his body!
Lawyer: you weren't supposed to reroute his intestines!
HS: Well I got the rerouting part right!
Lawyer: this isn't even the right patient.. you were two rooms down
HS: yeah but it was 4th floor right!Sorry guys but I still can't see how RVing is better than random guessing..
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Ralph Burton
Julien,
Good guesses?
Try reading the quotes without the spin of the article and
see how they read.Quote from your first link:
"To justify the cost, advocates within the government cite apparent successes like the time Agent 518 lay down on a cot, cleansed his mind and proceeded to tell CIA agents precisely how a KGB operative in South Africa was transmitting information through a personal calculator. Psychics later interviewed by CIA evaluators said the program worked really well--as long as it was run by officials "who accepted the phenomenon." "Wait what did that say? CIA evaluators said the program
worked really well? What.... I thought they were just guessing!" At first, programsupporters say, the military used only the highest quality psychics. Joe McMoneagle, an army intelligence officer, discovered that the CIA would pay him to sit in a room and use his powers to draw pictures of prospective Soviet submarines. He impressed the military brass by diagramming a key communist sub and predicting (within a month) when it would emerge from its secret hiding place."
Wow, what a great guess!
And he can draw too and come up with the time the sub would emerge.
And it did.
What a good guesser.In 1984, McMoneagle left the army to work as a civilian psychic consultant and was awarded the Legion of Merit for "providing information on 150 targets that was unavailable from other sources.""
Gee, they give the Legion of Merit award to people the
are good guessers. Especially since he guessed right at
least 150 times. Yup... that's some really good guessing.Quote from your second link:
"A particualrly talented viewer accurately drew windmills when the sender was at a windmill farm at Altamont Pass in California and "Dang, it could have been anything and he not only
guessed it he drew it correctly."later a footbridge across a marsh when the sender went to a San Francisco bay area wildlife refuge."
Another great guess and drawing...!!
Quote from your third link:
"At least a few powerful Senators on the Appropriations Committee will miss them. Senators Daniel Inouye and Robert Byrd, intrigued by stories of psychic successes, pushed hard during many years to keep Star Gate going."Sure because they were really good guessers. Gee even
Jimmy Carter thought they were good too. Who was the CIA
director back then...mmmm.... George Bush. Well he must
of thought they were good guessers too since the CIA was paying
for the original research at SRI at the time the army unit was created. Makes you wonder if the CIA has a unit doesn't it?
I mean a unit of good guessers."DIA credited psychics with creating accurate pictures of Soviet submarine construction hidden from U.S. spy satellites, and a 1993 Pentagon report said psychics had correctly drawn 20 tunnels being built in North Korea near the demilitarized zone."
What the Pentagon said the psychics had "correctly drawn 20 tunnels"
.... hey are you guys reading this...?"Sometimes it seems that these people are right on," says Jessica Utts, a statistician at the University of California at Davis who contributed to the CIA study. "But nobody knows when those times come."
Well sometimes they guessed right on with practice targets
she was able to evaluate. Since she didn't have clearance
to view operational targets. Hyman and Utts did the study
neither had access to 20 years of data,
they had access to 1 years practice targets.
Today Utts says that data delivered was way beyond chance.
That there was something there...I don't close the door on anything," Hyman told Newsweek, "but these are nice tall stories that can't be evaluated."
Gee, they can't be evaluated? Why not? Didn't he have
access to all the records? Why not? So just what was
evaluated?I could guess what happened to the unit.... I could guess
the reason why there's a spin on it... I mean what if it
did work and everybody started doing it.What would be secret?
Ralph
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SlayerLayer
FunkyDerek,
LOL...I really don't need your $50. (Although that would buy me two hits of XTC...hmmm)
This is the first time that I've even checked back to see what the answer was. I'm really not interested in proving anything to anyone, so I usually avoid even bringing up the subject of psychic awareness.
I will try to explain what usually happens when I "see" things. Please don't flame me or compare me to people that believe god talks to them. I'm only trying to explain it, so you will understand where I'm coming from.
Here goes. The very first thing that came to my mind was a car. The car that I saw, not a Volkswagon. I have no idea what kind of car it was. In fact, the type of car never even crossed my mind. I just knew it was a car. I could have guessed at any make and model, but unfortunately, my "perceptive skills" aren't that sharp. I've learned to just take what I get. More times than not, I've been pretty damn close at things like this.
Next, I tried to visualize the setting. The first thing that popped into my head was that it was an unusuall setting for a car. The car didn't fit in the picture to me. So, with that knowledge, I had to take a guess. My guess was an open field. Like I said before, I'm not THAT skilled. I take what I can get. If I "see" that it is a car, then it's likely that it's a car. Ask me what type of car, and I draw a blank.
Finally, I saw a person. Again, no details. Just a person. A tall person at that. In the actual picture, there is a woman holding her helmet up high. When I saw that, I realized why I even said the word "tall". It just made sense to me.
So pretty much this is what I actually saw:
1. A car
2. The car was out of place. (unusual setting)I guessed a field
3. A tall person
4. The color red, which I assumed was the color of the car.The actual pic:
1. A car
2. The car is surrounded by water. (unusual setting)
3. Three people, not one. The woman holding the helmet up high, is what stood out.
4. The car is whiteI may not have seen every line and detail of the photograph, but what I did see, was enough to piece together for a good guess. Instead of trying to be so detailed, I should have just told you exactly what I described above.
Something else to take into consideration, is that I had done massive quantities of psychedelic drugs the night before.
Again, I feel the need to tell you all that I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm only explaining what influenced my description. Do with it what you want.
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rem
Slayer and friends,
This is what you originally said you saw:
I'm seeing a car sitting on a feild, with a tall person standing beside it. The car is red.
Here is the picture:
This is your last statement:
So pretty much this is what I actually saw:
1. A car
2. The car was out of place. (unusual setting)I guessed a field
3. A tall person
4. The color red, which I assumed was the color of the car.The actual pic:
1. A car
2. The car is surrounded by water. (unusual setting)
3. Three people, not one. The woman holding the helmet up high, is what stood out.
4. The car is whiteThis is what I mean when I say this is a psychological phenomenon. The human brain loves to see patterns - it is essential to our survival. Our brain is highly skilled in this way.
It is quite easy for us to have an experience and then reverse engineer something more than really happened after the fact. The brain doesn't record things like a VCR - we reinterpret our memories every time we recall them. We add details that were never present before, but make much more sense in the present context. The scary thing is that we don't even realize that we are doing this!
I don't see your description as being anywhere close to the picture. I think you got one lucky guess (a car) and lots of misses. It was inevitable since so many people guessed and there are only so many common objects (such as cars and people).
I think it is hilarious how much mileage people get out of the American government spending $20 million on this crap. The fact that the project was declassified and closed down since it was shown to be ineffective doesn't seem to phase true believers. Read some books and you will realize how many true believers there are in our government - senators, congressmen, lobbyists - all trying to get their agenda across. I am not surprised at all that my government has squandered my tax dollars this way.
From what I've seen so far (and I'm still waiting for more experiments online here) the phenomenon is interestingly close to cold reading. Hits and misses. Hits are capitalized on and misses are dismissed. It's psychology 101, friends! The remote viewers are making such vague statements that their descriptions could fit any number of sites or pictures, and then the rationalization machine begins and they turn their predictions into something more than they are.
I just feel like my intelligence is being insulted when I see certain statements such as seeing a car should count as a hit. WHAT??!! That is so ridiculous. If you can believe that, you will certainly believe anything because your standard of evidence is pitifully low.
Again – anecdotes are not evidence. Stories are altered over time. Why, if remote viewing is so successful, was it so unsuccessful in controlled environments? That could have been the smoking gun of RV, but no – the evidence was inconclusive at best. I can't help but think that the directors of the RV department were under pressure to show that their group was making a positive contribution, and small lucky guesses were turned into large, exciting successes. Remember – there was a lot of money on the line, and people are not always honest when it comes to money – especially when there is so much secrecy involved.
So let’s see some unambiguous evidence. I’m waiting. There have been several offers for tests.
rem
"Most people would rather die than think; in fact, they do so."
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StifflersErSlayersBrother
The human brain also likes to be sceptical and unbelieving. We love to break apart, that which we do not understand... Others just dont try to come to a sceptical understanding, they just go along with what they feel inside of them.
Tell me rem, is there anything paranormal or considerably outrageous to some, that you beleive in?
