by VM44 59 Replies latest watchtower bible
It is so easy to read right on by that without asking what it really means.
exactly.
"Exactly what was transferred from heaven to earth when Jesus became a man?"
exactly.
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TS
Jehovah KILLED Jesus before he came to earth
That is untrue.
blessedstar
According to the WTS the following makes up an individual:
*** ts chap. 19 pp. 171-174 Billions Now Dead Will Soon Live Again ***
What, then, does resurrection mean for the individual? It means his being brought back to life as the same person. And what makes an individual the person he is? Is it the chemical substance making up his body? No, inasmuch as the molecules in the body are regularly being replaced. What really distinguishes him from other people, then, is his general physical appearance, his voice, his personality, his experiences, mental growth and memory. So when Jehovah God, by means of his Son Jesus Christ, raises a person from the dead, he evidently will provide that person with a body having the same traits as previously. The resurrected person will have the same memory that he had acquired during his lifetime and he will have the full awareness of that memory. The person will be able to identify himself, and those who knew him will also be able to do so.
How many of the above traits constituted the "LIFE of God's son" that was transferred to the womb of Mary?
General Physical appearance: I suppose a dub could say that Jesus the man was given the genes to resemble Michael the Archangel.
Voice: Same as above?
Personality: There is a possibility that certain personality traits were transferred genetically, although not all personality traits are genetic but based on experiences.
Experiences: No. This is based on memory and memory wasn't transferred.
Mental Growth: No. Mental growth is based on memory and memory wasn't transferred.
Memory: No. The WTS states that memory wasn't transferred until Jesus' baptsim.
Thoughts?
Okay, but the WTS says that "Life" was transferred to the womb. So maybe I'm giving them too much credit.
"Life" or "Life-force" according to the WTS is only the breath of man which keeps him alive and "does not have any of the characteristics of the creature it animates." (Knowledge P. 82)
So when the WTS says "Life" came down, they are really saying that nothing personal came down...
M.J.
So when the WTS says "Life" came down, they are really saying that nothing personal came down...
You've got the hang of it.
So. when Jesus said: John 6:48 I am that bread of life. 49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. 52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live forever.
What came down? It has to be more than "Life-force".
D Dog
..and also, DEMONS can apparently do what God and Jesus can't, according to the WTS.
According to the Knowledge book, page 109, in the days of Noah wicked angels "took on fleshly bodies." When the flood came these "rebellious angels escapted destruction by dematerializing their fleshly bodies and returning to the spirit realm."
As stated by Lingle (p.12), "Since the WTS apparently believes that it is possible for 'spirit beings' themselves to indwell humans without ceasing to exist or giving up their identity, then why would it not have been possible for the Son to come down and dwell in the man Jesus? Wouldn't this be much more reasonable than to say that 'God transferred his life from heaven to the womb of ..Mary' and then state that nothing really came down from heaven?"
What the angels did might be different. They were said to be able to materialize/dematerialize their bodies, so rather than having two different bodies, they may have had the ability to change the state of the one body they already had.
Just a possible interpretation.
--VM44
for JE zus to be perfect he could not have had any of Mary's tainted DNA and so he was not of DAVID or anyone else human according to the flesh and might as well have been made completely adult like Adam and forgo the charade of growing up as a typical mild mannered reporter for the daily planet, etc.
zn
The seed of the women is not tainted, it's the seed of man that is the problem.
Gen 3:15
And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel."D Dog
What the angels did might be different. They were said to be able to materialize/dematerialize their bodies, so rather than having two different bodies, they may have had the ability to change the state of the one body they already had.
Not really, because there the same angels without losing identity as said angels. In dub land Jesus is JUST A MAN, not an angelic being, Michael is the angelic entity. When Christ dies, thats it no more Jesus. Michael is who rises up not Christ.
