Jehovah KILLED Jesus before he came to earth

by VM44 59 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • zen nudist
    zen nudist
    zn

    The seed of the women is not tainted, it's the seed of man that is the problem.

    Gen 3:15

    And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel."

    D Dog

    sorry, this has nothing to do with females being carriers of sin or not.... if sin is something genetically transmitted, then females are no more perfect than males and mary's seed, unless you believe the catholic belief system [BS] regarding her immaculate conception, is tainted too.

  • poppers
    poppers

    Navigator said, "What if the Hindus are correct and all of this is "Maya", Illusion? According to Hindu theology, and also "A Course in Miracles" we have never left our home in heaven. We are only dreaming a lucid dream of separation that never really happened. The concept of memories only becomes important if you believe that life is in the body. According to the mystic Joel Goldsmith, there is only one body and that body is immortal and eternal. This thing we have on earth that ages and dies, gets sick, and suffers all manner of distress is merely a "concept of body".

    I would add to this that the dream becomes lucid only after waking up to what you really are; until then, the dream seems very real indeed. Just as when dreaming at night there exists the belief that it is real, this life we are living seems very real. When there comes an awakening within the night time dream, when the dream becomes lucid, the dream continues but there is no more investment in believing in it as real. Similarly, when one wakes up to what one really is (pure consciousness), the dream continues but it is now "lucid" - there is no more getting caught up in the dream itself because the "dream character" (ego) is directly seen to be illusory. This is the "liberation" that Buddha and other awakened ones have been pointing to.

    There is only one "life" and You are it. That "life" is pure consciousness; how that life expresses itself is nearly infinite in nature. The forms of that expression come and go, and the 'you' that you believe yourself to be is just one of those forms. As the form changes and seemingly disappears, life, the real You, continues expressing. In this sense, the world as we see it is illusory because it comes and goes, but You as consciousness remain unaffected, unchanging, and eternal. There is no death, only the changing forms of the expression of pure consciousness/You. "Heaven", therefore, is all around you right now.

  • M.J.
    M.J.

    I found it!

    Take these two quotes together:

    *** w56 4/15 p. 238 Was Jesus a God-Man? ***When God’s "firstborn" came to earth, the life force of the Word was transferred from heaven to the egg cell in the womb of Mary. This meant that the Word had to lay aside his heavenly glory, his spirit life.

    *** kl chap. 9 p. 82 What Happens to Our Dead Loved Ones? *** This life force does not have any of the characteristics of the creature it animates, just as electricity does not take on the features of the equipment it powers.

  • VM44
    VM44

    M.J.

    Excellent!

    Those two quotes together indicate that The Watchtower does not bother to try to be consistent in explaining its own doctrines.

    Look at the year of the first quotation, 1956! Fifty years ago! And they still say the same things when the subject is brought up, with nothing new to be said!

    In fact, I believe the explanation given today is the same as given by Russell over a 120 years ago! I suppose no new light has been deamed necessary on this topic, even though it doesn't make any sense when examined in detail.

    --VM44

  • BlessedStar
    BlessedStar

    Mary was a virgin. Jesus was conceived through the Holy Spirit. Therefore Jesus was sinless.

    Blessed Star

  • Shining One
    Shining One

    VM44,
    The JW doctrine is worthless, which makes your whole premise ludicrous...no offense intended.
    Rex

  • VM44
    VM44

    Rex,

    I agree with your statement 100 per cent.

    and yet, the JWs have taught this essentially unchanged for over a 100 years without going into the implications.

    That has to be the most truly ludicrous aspect of the whole discussion.

    --VM44

  • Kaput
    Kaput
    I suppose no new light has been deamed necessary on this topic, even though it doesn't make any sense when examined in detail.

    I don't think there's much that DOES make any sense with this religion.

  • ellderwho
    ellderwho

    I like the approach of introducing problematic situations to the dubs, it gets them to think. Plus it helps other that are on the fence. Keep up the research VM.

  • tetrapod.sapien
    tetrapod.sapien

    wow. one of the problems i have with you xians who try to describe this stuff, is that your language is so untechnical. you explain it as fact, and yet you speak like some 18th century poet who is obsesed with riddles. it's not helping anyone.

    The seed of the women is not tainted, it's the seed of man that is the problem.

    ahhh, yes, thanks for clarifying that.

    (walks away mumbling: "seed of man bad. seed of woman good. seed of man bad. seed of woman good. seed of man bad. seed of woman good.")

    TS

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