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by DannyHaszard 402 Replies latest watchtower medical
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DannyHaszard
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M.J.
Can i get four 1/4 fractions of redblood cells then?
You can get a hemoglobin transfusion, which is 98% of the red blood cell...in fact a red blood cell is simply the body's natural "package" of hemoglobin. "hemoglobin based substitutes" are made by taking the hemoglobin out of it's naturally occurring package and repackaging it using some fancy chemical process.
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garybuss
Here we go Brian. I found this on line. It was hiding right in plain sight.The following documents were provided to us by a Jehovah's Witnesses elder who was an HLC (Hospital Liaison Committee member) who chooses to remain anonymous for fear of being identified as an apostate and disfellowshipped. These documents clearly show the Watchtower Society's new policy and how it officially permits the use of hemoglobin.
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sf
I just came across a photo in google images, that directed me here:
http://www.grange.org.uk/chemcomp.htm
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Nuffield Science Bursaries
Each year the Nuffield Foundation makes available a number of bursaries which allow students who are in the middle of their A level studies to spend a few week working in a science based university, research or commercial environment. The Warrington and North Cheshire region get only 20 such bursaries a year; in 2004 five of our sixth form students gained places on the scheme, working in areas ranging from cancerous brain tumours to the structural integrity of concrete piles. On Wednesday 13 October the five students (James Baren, Ian Baxter, Emily Bebbington, Dominic Borrows and Simon Thornes) presented a synopsis of their work to a filled lecture hall at Daresbury Laboratories. The calibre of the research products is such that I feel confident that Britain's medical and Scientific expertise will be in safe hands.
Four of the five students involved have each provided a short article to summarise their thought of the scheme:
Ian Baxter - Investigating alternatives to Allogenic Blood Transfusions at Warrington General Hospital.
For the period of my Nuffield Science Bursary I was based with the pathology department of Warrington General Hospital. In particular I was based in Haematology. The aim of my project was to investigate autologous blood transfusions and whether they would be able to replace allogenic blood transfusions altogether in the surgical environment. During my placement I specialised my investigations on investigating the benefits of using a procedure known as Intra-operative cell salvage (IOCS). I assisted Warrington General Hospital in calculating the possible cost benefits of utilising this procedure.
I spent part of my bursary time following the Transfusion Specialist Julie Yates learning about her role in the hospital environment. As well as assisting in the Haematology department I was able to increase my knowledge of the human blood system. I viewed many blood slides under the microscope and was taught about the many different cells present. I also had the opportunity to make the blood films. One of the most interesting slides that I was shown by the Consultant Haematologist was that of the bone marrow. Having never previously had the opportunity to view bone marrow slides this made this aspect of my bursary even more interesting.
Intra-operative cells salvage involves collecting the haemorrhaged blood via a vacuum type tube where anticoagulant is then added to it. The blood then passes into a reservoir and then into a centrifuge and a wash solution is added. The centrifuge gets rid of any waste and unnecessary products, leaving the red blood cells which can then be re-infused into the patient whilst they are still undergoing the operation. This means that the blood is being recycled so it is less likely that the patient will need allogenic transfusions either intra or post operatively.
Although the amount of red blood cells that are re-infused is only about 50% of those lost, this can account for an extra 1-2 units of blood which in massive bleed operations can be crucial to the survival of the patient.
The advantages of IOCS over other autologous transfusion methods is that it is available to all patients having appropriate surgery as there is no requirement of medical fitness. There are however two important exceptions to this. Those exempt are cancer sufferers, where there is a risk of metastases through re-infusion of the blood. The second group comprises patients with infections as IOCS may spread infection elsewhere in the body. However, companies making the cell salvage machine are working on making filters that are extremely fine so there would be no risk of the cancer or infection being spread this way. The current problem that is being faced is that the filters need to be sufficiently fine to stop cancer cells but at the same time must not cause haemolysis. In cases of uncontrollable blood loss this method of transfusion could be life saving. This is especially the case in some trauma events where normally there would be no chance of getting sufficient quantities of the right blood group quickly enough to save the patient. With the salvage machine the chances of bleeding to death would be reduced and it would give the surgeon the extra time to help save the patient.
Most Jehovah's Witnesses who are unable to accept allogenic transfusions, pre-donation or ANH also welcome this method of transfusion. This is because it is viewed that during intra-operative cell salvage, the blood does not actually leave the body as in other forms of transfusion as there is a continual loop whereby a drip is attached to the patient, so they feel the blood does not leave the body therefore not going against their religious beliefs. As IOCS re-circulates the patients own blood, there is no risk of any transfusion transmitted infections occurring as with the normal allogenic transfusions. At a time where there are heightened fears of becoming contaminated with CJD, HIV or Hepatitis, the implementation of IOCS would be of great relief to many facing operations in the future.
By collecting the data, from using IOCS, I was able to calculate that the Hospital had made a saving of £6,480 during a period of seven months. This was achieved by a reduction in the number of allogenic blood transfusions required due to the benefits of using IOCS. With this huge saving in such a short time and the associated benefits of using the equipment, I feel that all hospitals should embrace the idea of change and adopt the use of Cell Salvage machines in operations.
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Thought it might yield some merit in this issue. Or not. Just wanted to throw it into the 'mix'.
sKally
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rebel8
Danny, where did you get that? It would more accurately say SOME JW hemophiliacs were/are allowed to take fractions. The others followed the directive by the WTS that they were only allowed 1 lifetime dose of factor--to take more would be considered feeding on blood.
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M.J.
I'll tell ya what's feeding on blood!
OY VEY!
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DannyHaszard
Why the Watchtower has the blood ban dogma in the first place.
Eight Marks of a deadly Mind Control Cult applied to Jehovah's Witnesses
# 3 Demand for Purity
The world is depicted as black and white, with little room for making personal decisions based on a trained conscience. One's conduct is modeled after the ideology of the group, as taught in its literature. People and organizations are pictured as either good or evil, depending on their relationship to the cult. Universal tendencies of guilt and shame are used to control individuals, even after they leave. There is great difficulty in understanding the complexities of human morality, since everything is polarized and oversimplified. All things classified as evil are to be avoided, and purity is attainable through immersion into the cult's ideology . Overextension of Kosher law that doesn't apply to Christians. [ Remember back when the blood ban was insituted they thought the end of the world was coming any time,now with the body count into 2006 if they repeal it outright,how will they account for all the bodies?.More important than the thousands of dead, the Watchtower corporation would be sued for mega bucks for all the wrongful death lawsuits.]--Danny Haszard
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garybuss
Does anybody actually know anybody shunned for receiving prescribed blood medical treatment after year 2000? Or are all Witnesses 100% complying with the current guidelines? Or are some getting blood treatment without being shunned? Or what am I missing here?
How in the world do the elders enforce fraction use compliance?
My thought for a long time has been, if the parts do not equal the whole, what equals the whole?
The current Witness doctrine has to be this: The whole is bad, the part is okay, the part does not equal the whole. How's this enforced? -
gumby
Gary....how do they inforce the fraction usage? Isn't that what the 5 page letter to the congregations was for? Or am I out in left field again? I thought it was to remind the dubs of what is ok and what isn't as regards blood.
Here's another thing I don't get. Here's a statement from the link Gary provided
Where does it say here a witness CANNOT accept a "fraction"? All I see is a prohibition in the usage of red and white blood cells, plasma, and platelets.For any who might question whether or not this is in fact a change in policy, we direct your attention to the comments of Richard Bailey and Tomonori Ariga of the Hospital Information Services of the WTS who in 1998 wrote to a journal for the researchers of blood substitutes as follows[3]:
"Based on this religious understanding, Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept whole blood, or major components of blood, namely, red blood cells, white blood cells, platelets and plasma. Also they do not accept hemoglobin which is a major part of red blood cells....According to these principles then, Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept a blood substitute which uses hemoglobin taken from a human or animal source." [2]
The question is.....are "major componets" as mentioned in this 98 article the SAME as a fraction?
Gumby
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ringo5
I'll tell ya what's feeding on blood!
That's not blood silly,
It's yummy steak juice from heaven!