National Healthcare for the USA

by sammielee24 348 Replies latest jw friends

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  sammielee24

  I often wonder, when people "leave" the world of JWs, how they adapt to having to actually BUILD A CASE for their position

  Interesting thought - but who are you talking about? I was never a JW - never baptized, never brainwashed - were you raised a JW? Is that what you are talking about?? Whew...you are finally admitting you can't debate the issue logically and calmly because of your background. Thank goodness..makes me feel better because I understand the confusion and complexities of surviving the cult. swife
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  hamsterbait

  LDH if I saw you lying in the gutter, I'd check you could pay for the phone call for an ambulance first, and I might consider selling you a bandaid at a much inflated price, in line with your level of desperation and blood loss.

  I might even throw in some aspirin if you can pay a reasonable fee in advance. Too bad if you are in a coma.

  You are right. This whole issue is not really about human compassion. Money is the bottom line.

  I just hope that if you have kids, they don't end up rotting on medicaid.

  Gosh - just like the WTBTS!

  HB
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  LDH

  Money is the bottom line.

  That's right, if you run out of the 'bottom line' it doesn't matter how much you care!

  Thank you LittleRockGuy.

  Lisa
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  LDH

  I would suggest that people go to an Indian reservation and take a look at US government financed health care. Did you know that Native males living on South Dakota reservations die in their mid 50's?

  From a private message. And YES I have permission to post it.

  Great point. Here is a demographic (First Nations/ American Indians) that has guaranteed socialized health care, they are about the sickest and poorest lot in the nation.

  Lisa
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  SixofNine

  Great point. Here is a demographic (First Nations/ American Indians) that has guaranteed socialized health care, they are about the sickest and poorest lot in the nation.

  And yet Cuban's, under embargo from the US, have health outcomes that should be the envy of many 1st world nations. I just love your good old fashioned can't-do spirit, LDH.

  Int J Health Serv. 2005;35(4):797-816.

  Related Articles, Links

  Economic crisis and access to care: Cuba's health care system since the collapse of the Soviet Union.
  
  Nayeri K , Lopez-Pardo CM .
  
  University of California, Survey Research Center, Berkeley, CA 94720-5100, USA. [email protected]
  
  This article explores the effects on access to health care in Cuba of the severe economic crisis that followed the collapse of the Soviet Union and the monetary and market reforms adopted to confront it. Economic crises undermine health and well-being. Widespread scarcities and self-seeking attitudes fostered by monetary and market relations could result in differential access to health services and resources, but the authors found no evidence of such differential access in Cuba. While Cubans generally complain about many shortages, including shortages of health services and resources before the economic recovery began in 1995, no interviewees reported systemic shortages or unequal access to health care services or resources; interviewees were particularly happy with their primary care services. These findings are consistent with official health care statistics, which show that, while secondary and tertiary care suffered in the early years of the crisis because of interruptions in access to medical technologies, primary care services expanded unabated, resulting in improved health outcomes. The combined effects of the well-functioning universal and equitable health care system in place before the crisis, the government's steadfast support for the system, and the network of social solidarity based on grassroots organizations mitigated the corrosive effects of monetary and market relations in the context of severe scarcities and an intensified U.S. embargo against the Cuban people.
  
  PMID: 16320905 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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  LittleToe

  Lisa:
  Do you even know what you're posting? You admit the current system is broken, but make no worthwhile suggestion as to what should replace it. For all your bold letters and red text, I suspect you haven't a clue. You appear to be garnering bits and pieces from all over the Internet, in an attempt to bolster your claims, but you've not provided anything near a well constructed argument, for all the fact that you belittle everyone else. Have you genuinely studied the subject, or are you just underlining the bits that answer the question that you've asked, like a glorified Watchtower study?

  Let's take your last example. Do you know what Native Americans are dying of, what level of healthcare they have access to, what socio/genetic factors are involved? Do you even care, or is it just one more "fact" to thrust under the noses of people who actually give a shyte that there are real life individuals suffering each day.

  If you were a god your name would be Jehovah, wouldn't it?
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  LDH

  While Cubans generally complain about many shortages, including shortages of health services and resources before the economic recovery began in 1995, no interviewees reported systemic shortages or unequal access to health care services or resources; interviewees were particularly happy with their primary care services.

  Ahh, love that Cuban medical model!

  Lisa
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  LittleToe

  You specifically asked me to adress this: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/118116/2085067/post.ashx#2085067 Unless I'm very much mistaken, on a service that costs $100 (which isn't identified) the participationg Physician will be paid the whole 80% by Medicare and will ahve to recover the remaining 20% from the patient. Ergo, for ever $100 visit to a Doctor, the elderly patient will pay $20. Am reading that right? Pity help them if they need weekly visits and have little savings.
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  LDH

  
  Little Toe.

  Get a grip. I am part Native American. Grew up near the Lafayette NY Indian Reservation. I think I know.

  You admit the current system is broken, but make no worthwhile suggestion as to what should replace it.

  That's not my job. You're the "brilliant ones" who come up with the "ideas." It's my job to point out how foolish they are.

  I know my industry. I know it's strong points and it's weak points. Of course you will never acknowledge that. As far as you're concerned, my industry doesn't deserve to exist because of unfair profits. Great. Neither does the Oil Industy or the Energy Industry or the Food Industry.

  We should just all share and share alike, right?

  Lisa

  Welcome to the New World Order

  Payment arrangement	Total payment rate	Payment amount from Medicare	Payment amount from the patient
  Participating physician	100 percent Medicare fee schedule = $100	$80 (80 percent) paid by carrier to physician	$20 (20 percent) paid by patient or supplemental insurance (i.e., Medigap)
  Nonparticipating physician/ assigned claim	95 percent Medicare fee schedule = $95	$76 (80 percent) paid by carrier to physician	$19 (20 percent) paid by patient or supplemental insurance
  Nonparticipating physician/ unassigned claim	115 percent of $95 (Medicare's "limiting charge") = $109.25	$0	$76 (80 percent) paid by carrier to patient $19 (20 percent) paid by patient or supplemental insurance$14.25 balance bill paid by patient

  DO YOU SEE THAT Little Toe?
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  LittleToe

  This is getting imbecilic...

  I already stated at the outset that there's a place for private healthcare and insurance.

  How about you give some examples from your Native American heritage, as to why the health of the indiginous people should be so poor, instead of just claiming that you "know"? Thusfar you've not demonstrated knowing anything, not even that there's a yard long burr up your butt...