by slimboyfat 100 Replies latest jw friends
I wouldn't bother SkyKing - he sounds like an egotist & muppet - you are likely to be abused. I'm sure the poster has had a good look at the evidence before.
The WTBTS flirted with NGO status and deceived their sheep - simple as that. They weren't upfront & honest. Period.
Beardo You are right. I have a horse that will not eat even a apple if I bring it to her but will shake the damn tree to get one. Some people are the same they have to shake the tree themselves. Only a people that does not fit in the eyes of the BORG would be on this site talking to us Evil ones anyway. Visions of Grandeur
Slim,
You know I agree with you on the exaggerations (although I may disagree on their exact list) and your psychological analysis of those, albeit somewhat cruel, may well be correct.
However, I think you are positing a false dichotomy as to the psychology of WT leaders. As Raymond Franz remarkably pointed out in Crisis of Conscience about Uncle Freddy, the WT leaders can be both sincere in their basic faith and loyalty to the organisation, and practically disingenuous. This is, indeed, a very common attitude in lifelong militants to a cause. As the faith in the Cause remains intact, it actually legitimates, in the militant's eyes, all kinds of "intellectual dishonesty" -- from misquotations to "theocratic strategy". Only when the commitment to the Cause weakens can the soon-to-be ex-militant see through his/her own intellectual dishonesty.
And if it is really so clear that Rutherford was a drunk they why do you have to reply on the perennial vacuous argument: "everybody knows".
Well, whether Rutherford was a drunk or not, he didn't like the prohibition law. Here's a quote from the watchtower of November 1 1924:
Recently the President of our Association, responding to a question concerning the Eighteenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, which prohibits the manufacture, sale and transportation of intoxicating liquor within the United States and which is known as the prohibition law, said: "Prohibition is a scheme of the devil," referring of course to the law above mentioned. Some of the brethren have made strenuous protests against this statement. Because of the seeming misunderstanding we deem it proper for The Watch Tower to state the Scriptural view of the matter.
So why won't apostates simply accept that Witnesses are well-intentioned yet simply misguided?
I agree that a lot of jws within the congregations are well - intentioned, and they are indeed misguided. I don't particularly attack them, in fact I feel pity for them though most of them wouldn't give me the time of day. However, as for the ones who are misguiding them, who pile all those largely unscriptural rules on them, and keep demanding more and more, no matter how much they give, I have nothing but contempt for them. Any criticism of them is justified in my eyes.
I must be one of those wacky apostates, and i`ll go one step further and say that the root of the org is evil. I think you are naive to think that it isn`t a money making organisation.
and your psychological analysis of those, albeit somewhat cruel, may well be correct.
Nah - more of a broad generalization than accurate.
slimboyfat: *** ... it is the same basic delusion which inspires most of the outlandish criticism of the Witnesses that somehow passes for common sense on this forum.***
Slim, slim, slim ... what are we going to do about you? One week you're jumping all over the WTS and the next you're calling apostates deluded. One week it's "grand Slim accusations," and the next, "lesser Slim accusations."
I really think you need to get out of Afghanistan. I don't believe the desert air agrees with you.
So why won't apostates simply accept that Witnesses are well-intentioned yet simply misguided?
This is true about many among the r&f, but I cant agree that this is the case with the leadership. The publications show how much they cover-up and lie. Look at their policies regarding child abuse and how victims are dealt with. The d'fing policy is well thought out and enforced. It is about unquestioned control and money. there are many examples to show this.
Regarding the masons, when i first found out about the asumed connection is was very convincing. Russell used a lot of their symblos and terminologie. After more consideration i see things diffrently now. I think the wts is bad as it is, no need to make it worse. It is very dangerous and has hurt and damaged too many. Softening the wt decite is just as bad as saying "jws eat their children".
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Narkissos <--- Yeah! What he said!
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They are not necessarily ignorant of the fact that they are being deceptitive, simply because they sincerely believe their deception is for the long term greater good. The Pharisees did not wish harm to the Jews, but they were deceivers, nonetheless. Through their many deceptions, the effect was harm however much the Pharisees would have wished otherwise.
Respectfully,
AuldSoul
a highly organized deception machine bent on knowing exploitation and conspiracy.
A strange irony is that this is what the Governing Body would have people believe that we are.
