Well beardo we were all there at one time were we not???? I think your being hard on those who gave up their minds...They gave me mine back on a platter & I began to USE it.
Grand and Lesser Apostate Delusions
by slimboyfat 100 Replies latest jw friends
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kid-A
"Who misguided them? Where the Nazis well-intentioned, but misguided people?"
An excellent point. Reminiscent of Daniel Goldhagen's thesis "Hitlers willing executioners" wherein he meticulously examined the collective complicity of ordinary rank and file citizens in the holocaust. The point being, totalitarian regimes DONT exist in vacuums, the R+F cannot be considered merely innocent rubes, along for the ride. Same with R+F dubs. It takes consistent levels of denial and self-delusion to convince oneself that the vomit being spewed in the Watchtower even remotely resembles "truth".
Regarding SBF's predictably idiotic assertion that all JWs are basically "well-intentioned" , again, complete and utter nonsense. There are malevolant JWs at ALL levels of the borg, from lowly drone "pioneers" all the way up to the dictators on the GB. However, it is the "ordinary" JWs that CARRY OUT THE ORDERS.....destroying families, ensuring that innocent children in emergency rooms are denied life-saving blood transfusions, engaging in public shunning of people, which is nothing but a form of psychological torture. Even for those voicelessly participating in these watchtower perversions: silence = complicity.
SBFs pitiful attempt to paint all ex-JWs with the same brush has once again blown up in his arrogant, corn-fed face. What you are, SBF, since other posters seem to wear kid-gloves when dealing with you, is a malicious little troll, who compulsively starts these threads to 1) get the attention you so desperately crave and 2) to rub salt in the wounds of people on this board whose lives have been irreparably damaged by the JW detritus you so desperately defend. Your actions define you as a vile and odious JW whose only purpose on this board is to piss off people. Your games are becoming pathetic, and utterly predictable.
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AlanF
I think you've hit the nail on the head, Kid-A.
AlanF
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dido
Hear hear Kid_A!
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Narkissos
When I left the WT 20 years ago, I was aware of some intellectual dishonesty on their part -- the Creation book being a good example: a close friend of mine translated it into French, and when he used the French published translations for some of the quotations he was apalled at the frequent misrepresentation of the authors' views.
Of course I later learnt that it was way more serious than I had thought: not only intellectual dishonesty, but political cynicism at much human cost: shortly after I left I found about the double standards in Mexico vs. Malawi, ot the hemophiliacs' issue by reading Crisis of Conscience; most recently I learnt a lot more through this forum.
Still this has not really altered my basic analysis: imo neither intellectual dishonesty nor political cynicism rule out religious sincerity on the part of the leaders (at least most of them); rather, it is a consequence of it. Being sincerely (and blindly) committed to an organisation identified as "the truth" once and for all is the actual motivation for lying, in many ways, to defend it. Some individuals will never realise the underlying contradiction, and others who do feel and regret it will never reach the simple conclusion that this is not the truth.
I remember when I was in Bethel one friend of mine once had a TMS part about "honesty". He followed the outline but added an extra point about "intellectual honesty" -- to the effect that the truth could never be defended with lies. I guess this was lost on most of the audience but not on me.
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fullofdoubtnow
Well said, Kid-A.
SBF's response, if he makes one, should be interesting.
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greendawn
The WTS is something far more sinister than a merely misguided organisation they have destroyed many families for example through the shunning institution and the GB are totally unconcerned about that. As for them having masonic connections that is hard to deny when their founder is buried under masonic symbols and a short distance away from a massive masonic temple though this was built long after his burial. Let's not forget the JWs were established at a time when in America it was fashionable to mingle Christianity with occultism and eschatology (the end of the world).
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Genesis
I think it is very sad to see someone like SBF who althought he has all the evidence of the WTS hypocrisy before him,he chooses denial. If he broke free from the cult he would be more happy having the real freedom of thought instead now he is loosing precious time of his life defending an illusion that he desesperatly wants to be true.
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Genesis
(sorry folks, double post)
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JimWood
Regarding the R&F:
"Qui tacet consenti’re vide’tur;" Hold on there aren’t any JW's to translate Latin, try this.
"Auto de to sigan homologountos esti sou" Nope Greek is out too.
Silence gives Consent
, English might work.