God's image (page 2)

Julie

:What would you do with individuals who blatantly made themselves enemies of you and actively threatened the lives and health of your children?

When I see this justification for the wholesale slaughter in the bible it makes me wonder. Why didn't God just scoop up the Jews and plop them onto some other part of the Earth? Some unpopulated place? Maybe a place that was even nicer than that barren patch of desolate desert they're forever killing each other over?

Doesn't sound like a very powerful or magnificent being to me.

Julie

sunstarr

Why didn't God just scoop up the Jews and plop them onto some other part of the Earth? Some unpopulated place? Maybe a place that was even nicer than that barren patch of desolate desert they're forever killing each other over?

True. And while we're at it, let's take our children and lock them in the closet while we hand them food and teach them what kind of people to be. Naturally, the best way to train children is to completely isolate them from any outside stimuli. That way, they will become........Jehovah's Witnesses! Julie...surely you don't think that isolation is the best way for God to train his people. The fact is, we don't know God's purpose for every single action he either creates or allows. Not a single man or woman on this planet SHOULD know the reasons for God's every action. He owes us no explanation for the things he does or chooses to allow. For you, or anyone else to claim him unjust for these things is merely the display of a lowly human perspective. Would anyone on this forum claim to know or understand what God is thinking? Hardly.

Tina

ahh there's that mystical supernatural entity that allows genocide and tragedies. but but we shouldn't wonder why!! Well dearie,he IS unjust . His injustice and whimsy can be found throughout the bible.
Sunstar,for those of us who have a hard time believeing in super sky daddys your arguement about 'his purpose or what he allows,boils down to no arguement.If your god is omnipotent ,all powerful why does he need puny humans like you to defend him? god of the bible? His image is the ultimate dead beat dad. if he exists,he hasnt done a soddin thing for anyone,EVER
Have you read your bible in its entirety? the contradictions? He is simply nothing more than an ancient patriarchal tribal god,developed from many ancient cultures. Used by tribal peoples to justify wholesale slaughter and domination.(Of course it's right,our god said so!)

Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny..."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense-you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."

Norm

Dear oh dear. Here I was thinking that the Christians was scraping the bottom of the barrel with their most recent clown Rex, and now we have someone (sunstarr) who could be his double butting in.

Could there ctually be two persons that clueless or is it Rex who have got a second identity?

Norm.

D wiltshire

No Norm,

I think Rex13 and sunstarr are as different as can be.

Sunstarr very nicely put!

If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?

Farkel

sunstarr,

: Would anyone on this forum claim to know or understand what God is thinking?

The Bible makes that claim, doesn't it? That's all the evidence we have. If God saw fit to not include enough evidence in the Bible so that by the partial evidence we misunderstood what he was REALLY thinking, then he is an incompetent idiot, or a master of deceit.

If, on the otherhand, he DID give us enough evidence in the Bible to know what he REALLY thinks, then he is a monster of unimaginable evil.

Which is it, then?

Farkel

"When in doubt, duck!"

sunstarr

His image is the ultimate dead beat dad. if he exists,he hasnt done a soddin thing for anyone,EVER

Tina, you are the model for 21st century thinking. "No one has done anything for me." Let me tell you what God has done for you. Every breath you take, every time your heart beats, every time you feel happy, content, loved, peaceful, surprised, hopeful, and kind, you owe it to Him. Every time you take a dump and feel satisfied that you finally got that miserable feces out of your body, you owe the satisfaction to Him. Now some cynics out there would easily say that we also owe the negatives to him since he created all things. Those people are wrong. Plain and simple. The same would be the case if you stepped in front of a moving car, was hit, and then blamed the car! You are quite knowledgeable of what an oncoming car can do if you step in it's path. So, to blame the car is ludicrous. Who is to blame? Perhaps the driver is somewhat responsible for hitting you. But most directly, YOU are responsible for bringing the suffering upon yourself. Your ignorance allowed you to step in front of a car despite knowing what were the consequences. God has also given us: Food that tastes good, air to breathe, color, life, and love. So what have we (we, as in humans) done for God? We broke the easiest of commandments: "DO NOT EAT FROM THAT TREE!" We turned our back on him. We gave up paradise and perfection under his care. What did he do for us? He gave us a means of redeeming that hope through a prophesy of a Messiah. What did we do? We became evil people who were only interested in ourselves. We took life, we propagated hate, anger, fear, jealousy, and deceit. We again turned our back on him. What did he do? He took himself from the most elevated position in the universe and became a lowly human. For what? To bear the sins of ALL mankind for all time and provide a way for returning to paradise. How did we treat our Creator while he was enduring this great sacrifice? We spit on him. We beat him. We tortured him. Finally, we killed him. We killed an innocent, perfect man, OUR GOD NONETHELESS, because of our ignorance. Has God taken away that sacrifice. No. Must we do great deeds to take advantage of it. No. We have to do next to nothing to enjoy benefits in paradise and perfection forever. Still today, people turn their backs to God. They shout, "There is no God." Still he has not turned his back on us. What has God done for us, indeed. He has done more that any human will ever, ever know. To say otherwise is to label yourself just as ignorant as so many in the past. To answer one of your questions, God does not need me to defend him. I choose to because of all that he's done for me.

sunstarr

Farkel,

If someone were about to attack a family member of yours, and you shouted out "I'm gonna go kick that guy's ass," would that make you a monster? Perhaps I overheard you and thought you as such for wanting to bring harm to an individual. Does that make you a monster, or does that make me too blind to see otherwise. Do I really know what's going on in your head? God has done things in the Bible which we cannot necessarily explain. Do we know what's in his head, so to speak? Perhaps he's not a monster. Perhaps some of us are too blind to see otherwise.

sunstarr

BTW, thanks DW!

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