Big Question

by choosing life 59 Replies latest jw friends

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas

    Dear C.L.,

    There is no answer to this question as the premise is illusory.

    We seem to exist in a tumbling, fragmented, nonsensical paradox; yet our hearts yearn for some cohesion, wholeness and purity. What to do?

    Start by questioning everything; especially the person and self you believe yourself to be. Silently watch the mind as it weaves it's tragic and confusing story. Be aware and learn to recognize the difference between the mind's interpretation and the actuality of silent aliveness and being. Spend less time lost in the ramblings and story of the mind and more time looking closer into what sees and experiences.

    Come to really know what you are, and the other questions will dissolve.

    j

  • new boy
    new boy

    The AGE OLD question

    And boy! Its one of the best. Many throw out "the baby with the bath water"-----------get rid of God. At least the one organize religion made up.

    But what if this question had a a perfect answer.---------------

    Its answered in a non religious book "Conversations with God" by Neale Walsh-------New York best seller list for years

    If just one thing does make perfect sense................yet me know.

    New Boy

  • fullofdoubtnow
    fullofdoubtnow

    How do you reconcile suffering with a loving God. Or do you?

    I gave up on god not long after i left the wts. If there is a god, and i have my doubts, he is far from loving.

  • tetrapod.sapien
    tetrapod.sapien

    hi choosing!

    this was a big issue for me, and perhaps the root of my initial cognitive dissonance as a wit.

    The question is: Why Does God Not Stop The Suffering? I watch so many suffer for no reason and no matter how I try to figure it out, I always come back to the fact that a loving parent would not allow their child to suffer needlessly. So why does God?

    there are lots of answers. the simplest one is because he doesn't exist. and there is something to be said for simple answers.

    the related question, stemming from that, is: why is there human suffering?

    a simple answer is because we are apes. heartbreaking, but true.

    another answer is that suffering is a state of mind, and as apes we cannot see around this. or evolved the ability to see around it. but even in the most horrid cases of "suffering", there are still lessons to be learned, if not by the sufferer, then by any observers. this sounds cold, but it's not. the sad part is that so many people believe that the way out of suffering is by way of some political or material solution. when really, the beginning way out of suffering is only something you can achieve by learning to stand aside of your thoughts, emotions and even "suffering", and see it for what it is: indifference on the part of the universe *and ignorance in our mind. heartbreaking, but true. and the rest of the way out of it is to find the strength right now, and to start making positive, conscious changes for yourself. you can do this without hurting others, but it's a balance to strike, for sure. i'm not talking about anything other than the evolution of our consciousness, as humans.

    tetra

  • Sailor Ripley
    Sailor Ripley
    I watch so many suffer for no reason

    How do you know it's for no reason? Getting away from god as I don't believe, can't I learn from my own and others mistakes? Now what I do with that data is a different question. What if someone gets it right, using all the learnings from before and makes everything great. Great to whom? Some people enjoy despair and being the victim. Maybe they are great in what you'd call suffering.

    Wait, what if it never gets great for me? Then I lose. What if it gets great to me? Then I win. I am the driver of my own destiny. This makes it extremely easy for me. If I do well, I did well; if I don't then I didn't. No blaming, praying, waiting, wondering.

    Run Rudy Run!

  • daystar
    daystar
    Its answered in a non religious book "Conversations with God" by Neale Walsh-------New York best seller list for years

    I read that book. It's interesting. But remember that it's merely one person's perspective.

    And... I would hesitate before suggesting any book contains the perfect answer to such a complex conundrum. It certainly does not.

    "If you meet the buddha on the road, kill him."

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    I truly recommend reading The God Delusion by Dawkins -it really will answer the question - trust me.

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas
    "If you meet the buddha on the road, kill him."

    A beautiful saying.

    It does not mean that the answers or wisdom we seek does not exist, rather that it will not be found in anything seemingly separate from what you truly are.

    "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him", and "Be still and know", pretty much mean the same thing.

  • choosing life
    choosing life

    Thanks for all your insights. I realize people can learn from suffering, but it still does not justify it in my mind. Having been in severe chronic pain for many years, I feel the lessons have been learned and the continual pain serves no further purpose.

    When I lead a support group for chronic pain sufferers, I had to face this question head on. It is easy to say that it teaches you patience, compassion, etc. But there comes a time when the person screams for relief and future existence becomes questionable. I have learned this too. If I had not experienced it myself, then I would have continued to think as a Witness and that all will be right soon.

    Chronic pain is different than acute pain. Acute pain serves a purpose. Chronic pain defeats all purpose.

    I know there are some posters on here who have been through such experiences. How do you continue to make sense of it all? It has shaken all my beliefs to their very foundations. I do believe in God, but would certainly like to know his answer.

    I feel the only hope lies in things that are totally out of our experience-ouside of time, space and physical limitations. This is what really made me start to think that physical perfection is just an illusion. Surely physical life has its limitations and always will. I feel that the physical body has to die to receive everlasting life and relief from physical suffering. Still feeling my way around, but it is a very strong feeling that has changed my perspective on so many things. I guess I have learned a little. Still, I cannot answer why God does it this way. I will look up the books mentioned. I love to read.

    Thanks again-Choosing Life

  • jaguarbass
    jaguarbass

    I know there may not be an answer to this question, but I am truly interested in other's views. I know many are of various beliefs and some do not believe in God at all.

    The question is: Why Does God Not Stop The Suffering? I watch so many suffer for no reason and no matter how I try to figure it out, I always come back to the fact that a loving parent would not allow their child to suffer needlessly. So why does God?

    I don't believe that anyone deserves years of intense pain and this is what many experience. What is the point? The dub explanation leaves me feeling empty and does not make me feel good about Jehovah. This is really the main reason I started to question their doctrines, because they couldn't shed any light on the most fundemental of realities.

    How do you reconcile suffering with a loving God. Or do you

    Some thoughts I have on your questions. There is no God. If there is a God No one understands him or can explain his behavior. Sufferings not a big deal, at least to God. I am the only one in the world and everything else is an illusion. There is a God, mad scientist, and he cant do anything about it. Things are out of control. Pain is for those who can not control their minds. Pain lets you know that you are alive. We are all part of God, spirit sons having a human experience on the pleasure planet because its the only game in town. We got tired of paradisaic bliss and we bought our ticket at the experiece window to come down here at the amusment park called earth. Some of us bought tickets to scarry rides that will scare the dickens out of us. And some of us took a leizurely cruise on a gambling boat down the MIssissippi river. Reincarnation: If you were bad in your previous life you will pay for it in the next which for some is this life. Cosimic justice, karma. Pick and choose your reality.

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