Have you abandoned the hope of everlasting life? (page 5)

drew sagan

Anybody ever read J.R.R. Tolkien, the Lord of the Rings author?

He wrote a fantastic book called The Silmarillion. It's kind of 'pre' Lord of the Rings.

Many of you're comments remind me of a part in the books which relates a mythical creation of mortal man. When discussing how the 'gods' created living beings it's talks about how they granted the gift of immortality to elves. Likewise he goes on to say that the Gods granted to man the gift of mortality.

Not trying to sound like a LOTR nerd, but I found it interesting that in the book he refered to mans mortality as a gift, something that was special and not necessarily negative. It really hits on some interesting philosophical points.

Reading some of the comments here brought that back to my mind.

Abandoned

I have wanted to live forever all my life, but I no longer care to. I once considered god a friend and I don't anymore. I'm sure he has those he loves and protects, but I've seen enough of those who he refused to help to see him as someone I respect. All my life I've been taught what an honor it is to please god. But does he deserve to be pleased? Doesn't he have some responsibility too? Or does he deserve it just because he created? At what point is a person's suffering sufficient for them to not be overly impressed with this whole creation/life/living paradigm?

I'll give god credit. He did a great job with fruit, baby animals, flowers, and mountain vistas. Those are all wonderful things that suggest a wonderful god. So then why are those things the rare exceptions that show up from time to time? Am I too greedy to want to be able to go through life without wishing I would die? Is that too much to ask?

Fleshybirdfodder

You mean I'm going to die?

Shucks...

I should invent a religion.

FBF

Tyrone van leyen

I died a long time ago, my soul that is. I always try to approach things in a sceintific and factual way even if the truth stinks, I want to know it, even if it hurts. No delusions here. So what are the facts and what evidence do we have. Well, nobody wants to die, thats a tough one. I think we can all agree on that. Everythings that lives dies, always has, always will. It's the law of entropy. You may not like it but that's the evidence. So what about hope? I think the chances of our being here in the first place are infinitly small, yet here we are. If this was one chance in all of eternity, mathematically, if time is infinite, then possibilities are infinite. If you go to your back yard and pick up a pile of dirt, all of the organic compounds found there,can be found in your body. It's just a matter of waiting an incomprehensible amount of time for it to reorganize itself. But who's waiting when your dead? Your not conscious of time. The universe is simply expressing expressing itself in all conceivable forms. Why not? It certainly has the time to. Everything is, as it should be, as an expression of the universe, and we are simply living biochemical mathematical expresions unfolding as we speak. As a conscious collective all living things add to the expreience of the universe trying to understand itself............. I think..... for now anyways.

wonderwoman

Sounds like I feel like most people. After I stopped having all of the armageddon nightmares and I healed a little, I don't really worry about it. Everyone has a different idea about what happens when you die. How can anyone be right? Who really knows? Now I enjoy my life, plan for the future, and can't wait to see what kind of woman I am and all of the things myself and my kids have accomplished by the time I am 95.

GetBusyLiving

Abandoned, do yourself a favor and read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins for starters. There's no need to be confused about this shit anymore. Take care man.

GBL

Darth Yhwh

In the form of physical existence on a paradise planet, yes. In the form of energy, light or spirit, no. Hope this helps.

FlyingHighNow

About the book The God Delusion. It is said that it's just as narrow minded and intolerant of people who have any kind of faith, as the author claims people of faith are intolerant of people without it. Read some reviews of it, say like on Amazon.com.

The earth and the universe are full of beauty. Most of the really messed up things happening are at the hands of men and women. Think about it. People have to take some responsibility for how messed up this world is. They are the cause of most of it. Perhaps God is waiting for us to realize this. And perhaps God is the one who steps in and keeps us from obliterating ourselves. Who created the Nazi Party? The Ku Klux Klan? I can hear him now, "Those kids, they're at it again. When will they ever learn that genocide is not a solution to any problem? When will they stop blindly trusting men like Hitler?"

Fisherman

I have concluded that God exists. Based on that, I am convinced that there is something more than the life we experience. With the conviction of God's existence, I have reason for hope.

At present, I have a different perspective on the Bible than what I once had, particularly on how the Bible is applied by religious movements. I feel that my intense analysis of the Bible has made me a better human because I have ben able to develop to some extent some of the virtues it teaches.

I dont waste my time feeling guilty about my shortcomings and failures. I don't feel that such things affect my hope for relief from God or his mercy.At the same time I do not think that God can be any less merciful towards someone else. I can understand getting angry and punishing someone that has caused harm but not wiping out their existence unless to stop that person from continuing doing harm.

I am devastated with failed expectations but I am unable to abandon the hope of everlasting life. I dont know with certainty if in a spirit realm or on earth but I want it to be where all of my fmily and loved ones are.

LittleToe

Two things are sure in this life - death and taxes.

One day I will die, and a day will come when our sun will go supernova obliterating this planet.

My immortal soul has made peace with God

Have you abandoned the hope of everlasting life?

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