So little knowledge (page 6)

Lady Liberty

What makes me think you have no JW knowledge?

Because you all focus too much on the people and the "this person did this and that person did that" stuff. JW knowledge is about Jehovah God and Jesus Christ. Also you have no knowledge because I don't agree with you. Sure, challenge me on any subject because the problem is that people are make conclusions without getting the proper information. But the fact that you disagree with me shows that you are not well tuned to JW teachings as the ones on the anti-witness forums are so obviously are ignorant of. I learn from JW groups and sites where there is proper teachings, not improper and ignorant ones like here.

Hmmm... you are barking up the wrong tree! As I said you are very narrow minded with your assumptions! Why don't you take a look at my previous topics. I will list a few for you to take a look at. Lets start with some of these subjects.. then let's see what you have to say. Here is a sample of some of my topics!

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/122192/1.ashx

Hello all...

I hope this day finds you all healthy, and happy.

I came acrossed some notes I made many months ago when I was going through the research phase of getting out. My intent was to cover every subject I came across. But... I never finished it. However, there is quite a bit of info. gathered here for any of you who are just starting your journey. Please let me know if you need any more info. on any of these subjects, as I have file folders full of data, and my parents have literal volumns they have put together exposing the organization. Anyhow, I hope this helps someone.. (please excuse the spelling errors)

My Findings With The Organization

586/587 is the destruction of Jerusalem, not 607. There is not proof outside the Societies literature to support that date. It is not in harmony with the scriptures.
There was no governing body until 1975. And in 1975 before the big change, Fred Franz, the then Watchtower President was totally against the change to a governing body. He is taped in a public Missionary talk going into great detail as to how unscriptural it was and not in accord with the early Christians, stating there clearly was no governing body in Bible times.
1914 was based by Charles Russell by the measurements of the Pyramid of Gehza. He taught that this Pyramid was God’s Stone Witness, and literally measured passages in the tunnel corelating them with Prophecy.
The New World Translation has replaced God’s name in the Hebrew language. However, they have inserted Jehovahs name throughout the Greek Scriptures, and the Greek scriptures never originally had Jehovahs name in them. By inserting Jehovahs name every place where the original manuscripts read "Lord", it many times is inserted where clearly Jesus name should go when reading the context.
Over and over the Society misquotes from secular authorities. This is clearly done to decieve the reader into believing that the secular authority agrees with the thought trying to be conveyed. Such quotes are used to give weight to the material being discussed.
Earthquakes are one of the signs that we are living in the last days according to the Watchtower. The facts clearly show, when examined, that the rictor scale is a fairly recent machine. There has been no way to determine the magnitude and frequency of earthquakes until this machine. Clearly not being very honest with the readers of the Watchtower, because their statements are not based on facts.
Mexico/Malawi incident. During the same time that our brothers in Malawi were being persecuted, raped, tourchered and murdered for not having a "party card", our brothers in Mexico at the same time were bribing the officials for military cards, and that was ok with the Society. Interesting that the "party cards" were much like our social security cards here in the U.S. There was onlyone party in Malawi, so by having this card, they were not taking "sides". But still the Society demanded complete obedience to their policy. Yet far away in Mexico, every Mexican citizen was required at a certain age do become a Mexican militant, and to serve in the military for a length of time. Rather than doing the time, the Witnesses were bribing the officials to give them a card. Thus becoming a Mexican militant. This was ok with the Society, as was being a militant. The Mexican brothers felt very guilty that they were given the "green light " by the organization, yet their brothers in Malawi at the same time were not and they were dying for their stand for Watchtower policy.
The "good news" that the early Christians preached about, as well as Jesus preached of was the "good news" about Jesus. What his life meant and the salvation to all who would just have faith. Today the emphasis is on the Kingdom and the Paradise. If we were to tell ones in the congregation we were speaking of the good news of Jesus, they would think we belonged to the Mormons or another faith. Why had the message changed. Why did the Master Christ Jesus put in place a simple message of salvation for the slave to change that message. What message could ever be greater, than the one he gave his followers?
During the 2 nd World War, the Society behaved in a very disturbing way. They were clearly anti sematic, anti British, and anti American. When you read the literature published at that time regarding what the Nazis were doing it is shocking. For it clearly shows the Society not taking a firm stand, but rather compromising trying to gain ther Nazis favor.
The Society points the finger at other religons who have prophecied and yet the prophecys have failed to come true. Yet they claim that they are Gods prophet and not one prophecy of theirs has ever come true. Be sure not to confuse the prophecy of the Bible that did come true, with prophecy of the Watchtower that has never come true. By their own definition, they are also a false prophet.
If in fact in 1919 the faithful slave was chosen as God’s channel on earth, and Christ Jesus, the Master approved of them, why is it that we do not still teach the things taught back then? Why are they considered, "old light"? Yet it was considered truth for that time. Truth does not revert back to falsehood if it was indeed truth to begin with. Why has the slave rejected what the master had approved of?
In 1925 Bethsarim was built in San Diego for the "princes" that would be resurected and brought back to life on earth. Abraham, Issiac, Jacob etc… Interestingly enough though, this mansion was occupied until their grand return by Rutherford. But their prophecied grand return never came.
Blood doctorine- As long as I can remember the command was to abstain from blood. Now, fractions are ok. Who changed that command? What of all those who have died because they were faithful to that policy? What of all those who needed blood and took blood? Were they invited back into the congregations because now the fractions they possibly took which got them disfellowshipped from the congregation in the first place is now ok?
The light gets brighter excuse for change. When something gets brighter, the light does not get dimmer in the process. Light is added to more light. So something that was wrong, will always be wrong, but there may be continued light as to why it was wrong. But never would light be bright, then get dark, as old ight, being discarded and replaced with something new. Many times the light reverts back and forth back and forth. Clearly these are but mens teachings and not that of Jehovah.
Child Molestation- The Watchtowers policy of two or more Witnesses applies to child molestation. Yet what molester would ever commit such a crime with two or more witnesses? The offender is not turned over to the authorities if there are not witnesses, and the molester is still able to have access to other children in the congregation to repeat, and victimize other children. Unfortunately other parents have no idea abuse or alegged abuse has taken place. There is no way for them to protect their own children.The congregation is a "safe haven" for molesters that should be turned over to the authorities. They are trained in such areas whereas the elders are not. Most of the time the parents of the abused children are told not to go to the authorities as it would bring reproach of Jehovahs name. They are told to keep silent.
Christ’s reign was supposed to have began in 1799, 1873, 1874, 1878, 1914.
Organ transplants were once considered cannibalism. Now they are a conscience matter. What about all those that took a heart transplant etc. against organizational policy. Now that it is a conscience matter, are those who were disfellowshipped for taking a transplant, are they reinstated into the congregation? Or are the still banished from family and friends?
U.N. involvement. The Society has for years called the U.N. the Wild Beast. And no Christian was to have any participation in it whatsoever. Yet, for 10 years the Society secretly was a NGO member. Their claim was that this was done in order to recieve a library pass to the U.N. library. However, they did not need to join as a NGO member but rather only needed to fill out a application and a letter of recommendation in support of the research. The application is approved and sent to U.N. Security. The U.N checks the application and if approval is granted, instructs the Pass office to issue a library pass for the applicant. The issuance of a library pass is independent of NGO status or any other status. The Society only disassociated themselves after they were exposed. Then made the claim that they had to register as a NGO to have a Library card. Yet how many did they disfellowship for interfaith such as joining the local YMCA? For voting etc…

Now I invite you to view more...does it appear to you I have left because I got my feelings hurt! I think not! I would have left years ago if that was the case. However, I left because I could not nor will I EVER support a lie! These topics are nothing compared to the indepth research MANY OTHERS here have found. Yet I suspect you are doing nothing more then trying to count your time, by being here. Normally I would not even respond to someone as shallow and as spiritually imature as yourself. However, there is a much bigger silent audience. And thanks to you, you just gave me a beautiful opportunity to bring to the fore many things that may help someone else who is truely sincere for truth! So thank you!!

Jerusalems destruction...607 or 586/587??

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/111283/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/111407/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/115284/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/109978/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/110306/1.ashx

Mediator..Is Jesus your personal mediator??

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/116002/1.ashx

Birthdays...are they really wrong to celebrate??

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/119521/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/123467/1.ashx

Early teachings supposedly approved of by the Master, but later rejected by the Slave

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/122193/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/122362/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/122464/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/122584/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/122585/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/126419/1.ashx

Wedding traditions...Pagan

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/122847/1.ashx

Christmas..does it have a biblical foundation??

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/126037/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/125807/1.ashx

Expos'e Literature scans and comments..

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/122955/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/114109/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121730/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/122279/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/122290/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/124985/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/125921/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/16/126418/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/127679/1.ashx

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

stillajwexelder

So many people look to the past not the future.

So why not write the WTS and ask why they published The Proclaimers book - it is all about the past?

Tyrone van leyen

Gee, I actually have learned a lot Grissom! From everyone else. Thanks for posting. You bring out the best in all of us!

MinisterAmos

Grisson said:
But there is other ways other than literature. Literature is just something for people
to read on their own time or help material.

Dude you do realize that the WTS equates the material released in the mags as on a par with the Bible don't you? Did you realize that the Governing Body communicates with God and passes that information on to you through the printed word? Get a copy of the KM 8/2002 and read it.

Try telling your PO tomorrow that you will not follow the direction given in the mags and books; that you will only interpre the Bible on your own, and watch how quickly you are disfellowshipped.

willyloman

iI just got a call from your old high school. ... They want the Diploma back.

Diploma? I'm pretty sure he was home-schooled.

LovesDubs

I dont know about you guys but if there ISNT a connection between the slaves...er....JWs and the Watchtower Society then they cant disfellowship anybody. Simple really. I didnt sign anything...no contracts..no agreements...so I guess I can officially say Im still a JW whenever I see fit so my family wont shun me and hey....they dont HAVE to shun me because the Watchtower Society who has no connection to me...and publishes the trash that says they HAVE to shun me has no jurisDICKtion over any of us..and so NOBODY HAS TO DO ANYTHING THEY SAY!.

Yayyyyyyyyyy! I think I will call my JW sister in law and tell her the GOOD NEWS!

avidbiblereader

So many people point to and are stumbled by what people do.

Take it up with Christ, He said it would happen, maybe read Matt 18 instead of a magazine.

So many people here that are weeping and gnashing their teeth.

Matt 9:36 Amplified Trans

36 When He saw the throngs, He was moved with pity and sympathy for them, because they were bewildered (harassed and distressed and dejected and helpless), like sheep without a shepherd

Nice try, just forget all the damage done by an organization, I do believe GOD'S WORD says that all of us will hold an accounting; for what we have done, whether we want to admit it or not.

abr

JWdaughter

If anyone is curious to know 'real JWs', I would suggest they go to the AOL board for JW support which is only open to JWs and like minded. They do not have discussion/debates, only discussion about how nice last weeks WT was, or how encouraging the assembly was or how helpful the service meeting is for this week. Then they repeat the mis-statements they have heard about how successful the last brochure campaign was. I would suggest ANY person sympathetic to JW beliefs/teachings such as studies go there and introduce yourselves and tell your story. I am sure you will be welcomed there in a way that you won't feel here. Don't go there otherwise-it is taken to be abusive even if it is not meant that way, and those people are NOT interested in any discussion that is not loving and supportive of the WT society/organization/JWs.

Greg Staffords site is a little more open to questions and he is usually polite and responds to sincere questions. It is mostly him and any questions/comments he gets, so it isn't really a discussion board at all. I just read there sometimes. Personally I think he is stuck just like a lot of less intelligent JWs are, but he is open for some discussion. I feel bad for him.

Quotes

Hey Grissom:

If Turn to page 26 of the March Awake! magazine (Young People Ask -- How can I say NO to sex at school").

On page 26, it mentions the book "Questions Young People Ask -- Answers That Work"

There is a footnote next to that book title.

Read the footnote.

What does the footnote say?

It says "Published by Jehovah's Witnesses". It does NOT say "Published by Watch Tower".

This one simple footnote demonstrates a complete lack of distinction between JWs and WTS, your claim that they are distinct entities notwithstanding. You are obviously not keeping in step with present truth, brother.

~Q

JWdaughter

Grisson said : Where do we get our software from? Microsoft? Are we Microsoftites? The Watchtower Society is a printing company, nothing more.

The beliefs are from the Bible.

What difference does it make where the outlines and materials come from, evaluate the material on its own. That is what I do.

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Um, if you were saying what Microsoft tells you to say, doing what they tell you to do, going to conventions organized by them and selling their books and software you might be called a Microsoft employee. If you did all that for no pay, you would be called a Microsoft slave. So in this instance, you ARE the Watchtower slave.

So little knowledge

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