Did the heavenly calling cease in 1935? Not anymore!

by AnnOMaly 288 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • dozy
    dozy

    I agree with other posters that it is significant that there isn't a single reference to "144,000" in this article. Especially if there is a big jump in "anointed" ones , I can see this number being relegated to a figurative one. Indeed - just had this draft passed to me by an "inside source"

    Private & Confidential - GB & Bethel Heavies only

    Question From Readers January 15th 2008 (JW edition) (Provisional draft for sign-off by GB (2/3 majority required))

    Should the number of anointed be understood as a literal 144,000 (Rev 14:1)

    "Many of Jehovah's people have felt that the number chosen to be anointed would be restricted to a literal 144,000. Does this seem reasonable , in the light of increasing blessings upon Jehovah's people and knowldege as we near the end of this system? In view of the large number who were partaking in the first century and the many thousands during these last days , it would seem that this number may well be understood more accurately in a figurative sense. A further study of Rev 14 indicates that just as the priestly divisions are figurative , so also the 144,000 may well be better understood in these terms. What is certain , however , is that this number is most certainly smaller than the great crowd , as Jesus spoke of a little flock and the number of Kings and Priests would necessarily be less than the number of subjects.

    How should we feel about this increased light? Truly we rejoice at our enlightened understanding , and , regardless of our hope , serve God unitedly under the direction of his Governing Body."

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Narkissos,

    Barbara's wording is admittedly ambiguous, but I don't think she could have meant that Gerrit Loesch claimed to be anointed only after becoming a "given one". I am pretty sure, from contacts I have, that he already claimed to be anointed before he left Austria for Brooklyn. So this is not clearly an instance where someone "became" anointed specifically to serve on the GB. That is not to say that some such thing may not happen in the future.

    Slim

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Ha ha dozy,

    I'm not appointing you to the writing committee yet!

    Slim

  • M.J.
    M.J.

    Wow. Just saw this one!

    First off, the "anointed are nothing special" point is NOT NEW! But it hasn't come up in quite a while. Check out this 1952 Questions From Readers:

    *** w52 4/15 pp. 255-256 Questions From Readers ***

    ? Do the "other sheep" have as much of the Lord’s spirit as the anointed remnant, and as clear an understanding of Jehovah’s purposes as the anointed have?—A. M., Colorado.

    If they are filled with holy spirit, how could any others have more than that? If a container is full, how can it hold more? Both classes must be equally faithful, under the same trying conditions. It is only by Jehovah’s spirit that any of us can stand. So if the "other sheep" do not have as much of the Lord’s spirit, yet have to endure the same tests and prove the same high quality of faithfulness as the anointed, they would be operating under a great disadvantage in the test of integrity. Jehovah God does not so handicap them, but gives them equal help for similar tests. Faithful men of old had Jehovah’s spirit, to write inspired scriptures, to cure lepers, to raise the dead, to cause rain or drought, to pull down pagan temples, to slay lions and bears, and to perform many other powerful works possible only with the help of God’s active force. Though not of the anointed class, they were filled with holy spirit.

    The "other sheep" today perform the same preaching work as the remnant, under the same trying conditions, and manifest the same faithfulness and integrity. They feed at the same spiritual table, eating the same food, absorbing the same truths. Being of the earthly class, with earthly hopes and a keen interest in earthly things, they might interest themselves more in scriptures relating to earthly conditions in the new world; whereas the anointed remnant, with heavenly hopes and strong personal interest in the things of the spirit, might study more diligently those things in God’s Word. So because of these different personal interests the two classes might show greater interest in different features of the message,

    and comprehend more in those fields because of their special study of them; yet the fact remains that the same truths and the same understanding are available to both classes, and it is just how the individuals apply themselves in study that determines the comprehension of heavenly and earthly things they acquire. The Lord’s spirit is available in equal portions to both classes, and knowledge and understanding are offered equally to both, with equal opportunities for absorbing it.

    So rather than the determining factor’s being whether one is of the anointed or other sheep class or not, it lies with the individual himself. One may be more willing to receive the Lord’s spirit and its guidance in his life than another, who may be quenching the spirit by not walking wholly according to its guidance. One may spend more time studying or naturally have greater mental capacities for learning than another, who may neglect study and mental training.

  • M.J.
    M.J.

    As for the point regarding whether or not this may be clearing the way for a non-literal interpretation of the 144,000...It is interesting to note that GREG STAFFORD back in 2002 made a few suggestions in his book, Three Dissertations on the Teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses on pp. 47-48. Who knows, the WTS may be following one of these suggestions here.:

    Jehovah's Witnesses currently teach that the 144,000 mentioned in Revelation 7 and 14 is a limited group numbered exactly to 144,000. These will share heavenly life with Christ as kings and priests (Revelation 5:9-10). I happen to accept this teaching, and have argued in support of it numerous times (see Jehovah's Witnesses Defended, 2d ed., pages 527-540). But if someone were to suggest during a congregation meeting (or even amongst a much smaller group of Witnesses elsewhere) that it is possible that the number 144,000 is symbolic for a group whose precise number is not known, even though it is still a limited group that will reign with Christ over the earth, it would not be received well at all. Yet, it is possible, in that we are dealing with the highly symbolic book of Revelation where numbers often have a non-literal meaning.

    Furthermore, the suggested view would ultimately strengthen the Witnesses' position on this issue. It would eliminate an argument against the current interpretation, an interpretation which suggests that there have not been more than 144,000 faithful anointed Christians since Pentecost 33 CE to the present. Finally, it would not change the basic teaching that there is a heavenly and an earthly class. One view simply says the number given for the heavenly group (144,000) is symbolic of another predetermined number known only to God, while the "great crowd" is not predetermined in terms of a set number of members. But the reaction such a suggestion would receive in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses today calls to mind what was written in the third issue of Zion's Watchtower, back in 1879:

    Extreme views are held by many on all these and many other points. The seeming opposites are often but different parts of the same great truth. An extremist takes one side of a truth, will not look at any other. He defends himself with the Scriptures, and calls hard names and anathematizes all who cannot see as he does, or who see from the other side ["Keep Balanced," Zion's Watchtower and Herald of Christ's Presence, September, 1879, reprint page 29].

    Of course, one could also argue that Jehovah through Jesus concurrently chose members of the anointed and persons who would be brought to life in the resurrection of the "righteous" during the millennial reign of Christ (Acts 24: 15), and so while there might have been more than 144,000 faithful Christians not all were selected for the same divine purpose.Additionally, one could suggest that the "heavenly calling" (Hebrews 3:1) occurred for a brief period during the first century up until the death of the last apostle, and then began again, according to the Witnesses' view, in 1918 with the selection of the early Bible Students after Christ's enthronement as King in 1914.

    The point of the above scenario is to illustrate that if one were to suggest the possibility of a slightly different approach to a doctrine, in this case the uncertain number represented by 144,000, but remain essentially true to the heart of the teaching, it would still be unacceptable in a congregational setting. It might be possible, of course, to speculate in private with a few persons, though even this seems to be unlikely in view of the warning against "harboring private ideas" about what the Bible teaches as quoted earlier from the August 1, 2001, Watchtower. Still, this particular issue concerning the 144,000 seems so minor and ultimately suggests a view that ends up adding strength to the overall position that one cannot help but wonder why there would be such a cold reaction to it, in most (but not all) situations within the organization.

  • SirNose586
    SirNose586

    Aha!

    I called this back in October 2006, see the following post:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/121909/1.ashx

    "And they will have to know there was a prophet in their midst..."

    May I subscribe to your newsletter, sir? You've got a better track record than Brooklyn for prophesying!

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    A challenging question for the Society is this: If the people who passed up taking communion in and after 1935 are not "other sheep" according to the Watchtower magazine in 1995, and they have died, so they can't be a member of the "great crowd" who pass through Armageddon, WHO ARE THEY?

    If they're just sleeping in mankind's common grave waiting for ressurection with Hitler and Genghis Chan, what was the purpose of their years of unpaid Watch Tower Publishing Corporation produced literature distribution? What was their benefit for their personal sacrifices? They made many.

    And:

    If the earthly organization is a part of spiritual Israel, and the anointed are spiritual Israelites, and the great crowd are spiritual Gentiles . . . Where's the precedent for a Gentile to direct a Jewish meeting while the Jew sits there being told they are don't know as much about being a Jew as the Gentile and not fit to direct the meeting?

    The anointed are in the New Covenant and the non-anointed great crowd are not. Who should be directing the meetings? Is this the official abandonment of the claim the Jehovah's Witnesses make that they are Christian? Because by their definitions, the only "real" Christians, are the anointed.

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Slim,

    I don't know why I singled Lösch, Barbara's statement was more embracing actually:

    All subsequent Governing Body appointees have first spent time as assistants, e.g.. Gerrit Lösch, Sam Herd, Guy Pierce, Stephen Lett, David Splane, Geoffrey Jackson and Anthony Morris. Inasmuch as all of these men were of the “other sheep” class, and since they were living in the last days and expected to live through the “great tribulation,” that would have made them part of the “great crowd” of “other sheep.” In time, each man came to believe he was called to become part of the “anointed remnant.”

    I have no other information about it, but hopefully others may have.

  • SirNose586
    SirNose586
    If the earthly organization is a part of spiritual Israel, and the anointed are spiritual Israelites, and the great crowd are spiritual Gentiles . . . Where's the precedent for a Gentile to direct a Jewish meeting while the Jew sits there being told they are don't know as much about being a Jew as the Gentile and not fit to direct the meeting?

    The anointed are in the New Covenant and the non-anointed great crowd are not. Who should be directing the meetings? Is this the official abandonment of the claim the Jehovah's Witnesses make that they are Christian? Because by their definitions, the only "real" Christians, are the anointed.

    Interesting points. The WTS loves to parallel the OT with the NT, but if you follow it to its logical conclusion, you have to make some interesting mental contortions to make it all work out.

  • M.J.
    M.J.
    If they're just sleeping in mankind's common grave waiting for ressurection with Hitler and Genghis Chan, what was the purpose of their years of unpaid Watch Tower Publishing Corporation produced literature distribution? What was their benefit for their personal sacrifices? They made many.

    Excellent point, Gary. If you read in Rev 7, the "Great Crowd" isn't a label identifying a class of people. The "great crowd" of people John is seeing are literally those who survived the Great Tribulation. So it's a big farce to say that someone who dies before the Great Tribulation is a member of the Great Crowd in the first place. Thus it was a big deception for Rutherford & the WTS to promise all those folks back in 1935 that they would be part of the "great crowd". The term itself is based on the assumption that the end is coming "very soon".

    So then, what category are dead "Great Crowd" members in? What sets them apart from the rest of dead mankind?

    The Great Crowd, as much as the 144,000 needs to be decoupled from the year 1935.

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