by minimus 217 Replies latest jw friends
I don't understand why a cartoon that is over 50 years old was brought up on this board if it causes bad feelings. Personally, I never viewed it as anything but a cartoon, not a reflection on race. I guess every person could jump on the emotional bandwagon and demand no cartoons be about fat people, skinny people, short people, tall people, rednecks, hillbillies, etc.
I guess that they could. And, I just view Chappelle as a comedian.
Now if it were a college b-ball team and it involved 3 black players and a white stripper,
They wouldn't even get a trial! They'd be tied to a refrigerator and thrown over a bridge!
I am saying that if there is to be any criticism of such, it must be applied to all; not some.
Whose mandate is this?
We're not talking about governmental regulation here, because it HAS received blanket criticism and condemnation from the FCC. No one can say that type of stuff on the air, regardless of race, so there is no institutional disparity with regards to the word.
So what more do you want? You want to regulate the sensibilities of individual people? That's unrealistic. Who are we to tell anybody else what should or should not offend them?
If I have to criticize one person who uses the word, I have to criticize everybody who uses it? Well, what if only one person offends me? Are you saying that black people should be offended when other black people use the word as well? Well, that's your opinion. (and mine as well, btw). But just because we believe that doesn't mean that it's "right", or that we can force others to share that viewpoint. We don't all have to think collectively as a group about it.
And I'm not saying that if a white person uses the n-word, that automatically makes him a racist. (Hell, white kids refer to one another that way these days). All I'm saying is, more likely than not, that is how it is going to be perceived by a black person. (Or Hispanic, Asian, Jewish, white, etc, under the same circumstances). Knowing this, I choose not to use words that I know to be offensive, and it matters not to me whether whatever group is using that same word amongst themselves. I harbor no resentment.
To infer that the word has a blanket meaning and should be either totally embraced or totally discarded by everyone is the same as saying we should outlaw the word "fire" rather than outlawing the act of yelling "Fire!" in a crowded auditorium.
Farethewell Imus!
Irritating boob is what I have always thought about him - of course I fired him long ago by changing the channel. I fired Mr Right also - Limbaugh. Moderate, dignified conversation on the radio is gone I think. Too bad.
Jeff
and then you have shows like the chapelle show that constantly knocked whites, but thats ok.
and who laughs the hardest when Chappelle skewers white people? White people.
But let a white comedian make fun of blacks and Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and any other radical with an axe to grind comes crawling out of the woodwork to preach indignation and retribution.
Sharpton and Jackson aren't in this to create equality or for civil rights, they're in it for themselves. They use the mistakes of non-blacks to further their own cause. They aren't interested in equality, their interested in promoting themselves by using race issues.
Sure they give a little lip service to the fact that young black rappers shouldn't be using the "N" word or other offensive terms, but they don't really do anything about it...but let a white personality pull an "Imus" and by god they're all over that.
I don't understand why a cartoon that is over 50 years old was brought up on this board if it causes bad feelings. Personally, I never viewed it as anything but a cartoon, not a reflection on race. I guess every person could jump on the emotional bandwagon and demand no cartoons be about fat people, skinny people, short people, tall people, rednecks, hillbillies, etc.
Where do stereotypes come from? Stereotypes exist because enough people of that race, nationality, creed, religion or whatever acted in such a way that it was recognized as being typical of a large number of that group.
Should we make fun of people because of being a certain race or nationality? Of course not, but that doesn't change that the stereotypes exist and they exist because we recognize those traits of a certain group.
That cartoon wasn't making any more fun of a black person hunting a rabbit than one with a white man with a speech impediment hunting a rabbit. How is this one cartoon offensive but the dozens with Elmer Fudd aren't?
Right you are Minimus!
Persons who choose to ignore the double standard are not playing fair.
I was listening to a local radio station( R&B- black DJ's) at 6am one morning a few months ago and the DJ's were discussing the black woman who was found gulity of assault in a road rage incident- she threw a cup of ice out the window at a white person for supposedly cutting her off. The DJ's were telling their black audience something like this" don't play that Game- Whitey made up the rules and we don't understand them- now we own football and basketball- we know how the rules work in those games- don't play that road rage game with whitey- only he knows how the rules work on that one , leave it alone, brothers-"
of course there were no complaints voiced against those DJ's for racist comments over the radio.
Whitey made up the rules and we don't understand them- now we own football and basketball- we know how the rules work in those games- don't play that road rage game with whitey- only he knows how the rules work on that one , leave it alone, brothers-"
I guess if the media would of got behind it, you'd of had an uproar over the word "whitey".
Where do stereotypes come from? Stereotypes exist because enough people of that race, nationality, creed, religion or whatever acted in such a way that it was recognized as being typical of a large number of that group.
You mean the big popping out eyes and the big white lips? I've never seen a black person with gigantic white lips. I have seen people with exopthalmos (eyes popping out of their heads) due to having hyperthyroidism, but that can happen to any race. Mrs. Bush, Sr has the condition.
MrsMcD - you are very active on this thread pointing out the negative portrayals of blacks, by whites over the years, and rightly pointing out the hurt it's caused.
But I can't get over what a repugnant thing you did in calling another person, who is black, a "house" n-word. That is as insulting, demeaning and repugnant a thing to call someone as I've heard. And you do it on a thread condemning a public figure for saying "nappy haired hoes" - also repugnant.
Here is what that poster said:
In my neck of the woods, the news is only talking about Imus' comment about the ladies' basketball team, so if he said more offensive things I cannot speak my opinion on them.
Someone, I forget, said that no one can make you feel inferior without your permission. If blacks use the same/similar or worse references to black women or other blacks as Imus did in videos, music, comedies or in conversation among themselves, or whatever, I think essentially, they are allowing people of other races to do the same.
If I don't beat the snot out of you for calling me the 'b'-word, but instead giggle at it, think it's cool or permit it in some fashion, someone who overhears you may think that it is okay to come along and call me that too.
It is a double-standard. Plain and simple. I don't buy the excuse that blacks put a positive spin on the 'n'-word because they are using it to mean "friend", "pal", or "confidant" when talking to each other. If white folks or anybody else can't refer to a black person by that word or any other negative references, neither should blacks to each other. Some blacks should examine themselves; I've been witness (eww, did I use that word?) to blacks being prejudiced to other blacks from different countries, so many are not as united on racial issues as some would like to make it appear.
And, yes, fire everyone who has done what Imus did, if that's possible. White, black, red, yellow, purple.
....By the way, I'm black.
What an awful thing for a black person to say in your opinion I guess?. WOW she should be put in her place for that right?! So you said:
I could tell. You sound like one of them "house" kinds. Now, that's used in a bad way!....By the way, I'm black.
What a disgusting thing to say MrsMcD - calling someone that. What makes you ANY different than Imus or the writers of those cartoons you've been posting? The posting guidelines say this:
If you disagreed with what Rethinking said you could have made an argument, posted your view, challenged hers. But you chose to just attack her with hate-speech based on her race. Then did nothing but defend it and then mock her further.
gotcha Rethinking - Welcome to the board! (and note I didn't assume in my posts you were male or female )That's so sweet their bonding! Survival instinct! You go girl!
For you to take her post and attack her with those words and labels shows just how disturbed you are. Absolutely no different than what Michael Richards did in my opinion and hiding behind your skin color doesn't excuse it - just as hiding behind "it's just a joke" doesn't.
