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Would You Kill Some One If Your Government Told You To?
by frankiespeakin 54 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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found-my-way
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frankiespeakin
Satan,
People die, it's a natural process and is nothing to be afraid of. Some people deserve to die now, why be afraid to help them on their way? I understand that some people have an ethical problem with ending life, I don't.
When you say "some people deserve to die now" are you referring to those your government classifies as the enemy without any judgement from you, and so you just follow orders and kill them? I supposing that's what you mean from the context am I understanding you correctly?
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Nathan Natas
Yes, I would, unhesitatingly and without regrets.
Right now I report to my local letter carrier.
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Who are you?
Satan,
People die, it's a natural process and is nothing to be afraid of. Some people deserve to die now, why be afraid to help them on their way? I understand that some people have an ethical problem with ending life, I don't.
When you say "some people deserve to die now" are you referring to those your government classifies as the enemy without any judgement from you, and so you just follow orders and kill them? I supposing that's what you mean from the context am I understanding you correctly?
Frankie ...in Satans original post he stated .... I've always felt this way, I was only in the army for a very short time before getting an injury and a medical discharge. My point in sharing that I joined the army was that I fully realised that I could well be ordered to go into situations where I had to kill, and I never had a problem with that.
People die, it's a natural process and is nothing to be afraid of. Some people deserve to die now, why be afraid to help them on their way? I understand that some people have an ethical problem with ending life, I don't.
If someone threatened myself or anyone dear to me then they wouldn't get a second opportunity.
Satan clearly made the seperation between his personal beliefs and the governement. In the Humpers response in the other thread he made it clear that every soldier has the choice to not kill if it violates his personal beliefs. Frankie....Give it up....and quit trying to make the military fit into your agenda. You know nothing about the military, and when you finally get a chance to hear from actual soldiers, you still try to push your assinine agenda that soldiers are nothing but robots for the US goverment.
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Satans little helper
When you say "some people deserve to die now" are you referring to those your government classifies as the enemy without any judgement from you, and so you just follow orders and kill them? I supposing that's what you mean from the context am I understanding you correctly?
My answer would have to be twofold - firstly if I were in military service then I would be expected to follow orders, including those to kill people. Part of the standing military law of both the US and UK (and Australia) are that military orders must be lawful and that a soldier is obliged NOT to follow orders that are not lawful, now that is obviously open to interpretation. If I were needlessly ordered to open fire on unarmed civilians then I think I would refuse, however if those unarmed civilians were causing a greater danger then I would carry out the order and open fire. So to answer that facet of your question I guess I would say no, under certain circumstances my judgement would be to not follow orders.
However, in saying that "some people deserve to die", I meant just that, that there are many circumstances where I would quite happily kill someone and not lose sleep over it. I find it surprising that anyone could say that there are no circumstances where they would kill, that person would have to be completely emotionless or unwilling to stand up and defend themselves.
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JeffT
Someone mentioned that no one has the legal authority to call for killing. This simply isn't true. Consider military personel.
NO. I said that no one has the legal authority to order ME to kill some one. I'm not in the military. As a civilian I can't legally be ordered to kill some one.
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Adolfius
I would kill. I have killed, and I know I wouldn't hesitate to kill in the future.
But killing needs to be appreciated in the circumstances it happens. Sitting in a warm room infront of your computer, it can be very hard for people to think of a situation that they would willingly kill someone at the request of a government.
Imagine sitting on a hill top overlooking a small village filled with innocent, unarmed families. A group of men appraoch carrying machete's and have made it clear they are about to slaughter the entire population of the village (they have just done the same thing in a neighbouring village). Your life is in no danger whatsoever, but you are sat behind a machine gun and can kill the attackers as they approach the village, thus saving the lives of hundreds of people. Someone from your government tells you to open fire and kill the attackers.....would you do it? I definitely would, and I think it would take a pretty immoral person to sit back and watch the slaughter and do nothing.
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BluesBrother
Unequivocally ..No..
I guess the question is "Would you kill someone [just] because your government told you to?" ... politicians are untrustworthy so why allow them to make moral judgements on your behalf?. Therefore I would not have joined the military and put myself in that position.
The Internet is worldwide. Suppose a person in Iran or Iraq reads this thread and is subject to propaganda that members of the USA or Israeli forces are legitimate targets? Would you respect and admire them for sharing your point of view.
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Adolfius
I guess the question is "Would you kill someone [just] because your government told you to?"
I think BluesBrother has got it spot on with that bit, and then the answer would have to be "no". But the answer to frankies question is surely; "it depends on the circumstances"
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RichieRich
I would kill if called upon to do it.
Now, usually, when you go about serving government ordered hits, they're usually after bad men, not the pope, or mother theresa, or little kids in a park.
Plus, maybe the government would let me pick somebody...