No. I would as soon turn the weapon on myself than take another life. I was in an armed robbery terrorist style, so yes, I can say that I would not kill. He wanted to kill me, but I only wanted to get the weapon from him, not kill him. I had no death wishes for the bad guy whatsoever. Just disarm him. Now, take the situation of someone actively harming one of my little cubs and I'm a mamma bear who could possibly kill. It depends on the situation.
Would You Kill Some One If Your Government Told You To?
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carla
Frank are you talking specifically about military or as civilians? Is it just me or do you have a difficult time understanding how anybody could join the military? I also think you are very unaware of the many other things our military does. As for killing, if you had the chance to kill someone like Hitler would you? Or would you would be more worried about your own 'eternal' butt, so to speak.
For some the 'no greater love hath a man than to lay down his life for another' is what war is about. They are willing to kill or be killed if necessary. Evil prevails when good men do nothing.
Please consider the following, not to get into the right or wrongness of Iraq, just try to see what the dad was telling his son. (from a soldiers perspective)-----
Why are we are war with Iraq?
Written on the second day of the war with Iraq , circa 2003.
- Lesson to a son
The other day, my nine year old son wanted to know why we were at war. My husband looked at our son and then looked at me. My husband and I were in the Army during the Gulf War and we would be honored to serve and defend our country again today. I knew that my husband would give him a good explanation.
My husband thought for a few minutes and then told my son to go stand in our front living room window. He told him:
"Son, stand there and tell me what you see?"
"I see trees and cars and our neighbors houses." he replied.
"OK, now I want you to pretend that our house and our yard is the United States of America and you are President Bush ."
Our son giggled and said "OK."
"Now son, I want you to look out the window and pretend that every house and yard on this block is a different country." my husband said.
"OK Dad, I'm pretending."
"Now I want you to stand there and look out the window and see that man come out of his house with his wife and he has her by the hair and is hitting her. You see her bleeding and crying. He hits her in the face, he throws her on the ground, then he starts to kick her to death. Their children run out and are afraid to stop him, they are crying, they are watching this but do nothing because they are kids and afraid of their father. You see all of this son....what do you do?"
"Dad?"
"What do you don son?!"
"I call the police, Dad."
"OK. Pretend that the police are the United Nations and they take your call, listen to what you know and saw but they refuse to help. What do you do then son?!"
"Dad, but the police are supposed to help!" My son starts to whine.
"They don't want to son, because they say that it is not their place or your place to get involved and that you should stay out of it," my husband says.
"But Dad...he killed her!!" my son exclaims.
"I know he did...but the police tell you to stay out of it. Now I want you to look out that window and pretend you see our neighbor who you're pretending is Saddam turn around and do the same thing to his children."
"Daddy...he kills them?"
"Yes son, he does. What do you do?"
"Well, if the police don't want to help, I will go and ask my next door neighbor to help me stop him." our son says.
"Son, our next door neighbor sees what is happening and refuses to get involved as well. He refuses to open the door and help you stop him," my husband says.
"But Dad, I NEED help!!! I can't stop him by myself!!"
"WHAT DO YOU DO SON?"
Our son starts to cry.
"OK, no one wants to help you, the man across the street saw you ask for help and saw that no one would help you stop him. He stands taller and puffs out his chest. Guess what he does next son?"
"What Daddy?"
"He walks across the street to the old ladies house and breaks down her door and drags her out, steals all her stuff and sets her house on fire and then...he kills her. He turns around and sees you standing in the window and laughs at you. WHAT DO YOU DO?!!!"
"Daddy..."
"WHAT DO YOU DO?!!!"
Our son is crying and he looks down and he whispers, "I close the blinds, Daddy."
My husband looks at our son with tears in his eyes and asks him... "Why?"
"Because Daddy.....the police are supposed to help...people who needs it....and they won't help....You always say that neighbors are supposed to HELP neighbors, but they won't help either...they won't help me stop him...I'm afraid....I can't do it by myself...Daddy.....I can't look out my window and just watch him do all these terrible things and...and.....do nothing...so....I'm just going to close the blinds....so I can't see what he's doing........and I'm going to pretend that it is not happening."
I start to cry.
My husband looks at our nine year old son standing in the window, looking pitiful and ashamed at his answers to my husbands questions and he tells him...."Son"
"Yes, Daddy."
"Open the blinds because that man....he's at your front door..."WHAT DO YOU DO?!!!!"
My son looks at his father, anger and defiance in his eyes. He balls up this tiny fists and looks his father square in the eyes, without hesitation he says: "I DEFEND MY FAMILY DAD!! I'M NOT GONNA LET HIM HURT MOMMY OR MY SISTER, DAD!!! I'M GONNA FIGHT HIM, DAD, I'M GONNA FIGHT HIM!!!!!"
I see a tear roll down my husband's cheek and he grabs my son to his chest and hugs him tight, and cries..."It's too late to fight him, he's too strong and he's already at YOUR front door son.....you should have stopped him BEFORE he killed his wife. You have to do what's right, even if you have to do it alone, before......it's too late." my husband whispers.
THAT scenario I just gave you is WHY we are at war with Iraq . When good men stand by and let evil happen, that is the greatest EVIL of all. Our President is doing what is right. We, as a free nation, must understand that this war is a war of humanity. WE must remove this evil man from power so that we can continue to live in a free world where we are not afraid to look out our window and see crimes on humanity. So that my nine year old son won't grow up in a world where he feels that if he just "closes" his blinds the atrocities in the world won't affect him. Today the second day of "WAR on IRAQ" I felt compelled to write this and pass it along. Hopefully, you will understand the lesson my husband tried to teach our son.
"YOU MUST NEVER BE AFRAID TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT! EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO DO IT ALONE!"
BE PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!
BE PROUD OF OUR PRESIDENT!
BE PROUD OF OUR TROOPS!!
SUPPORT THEM!!!
SUPPORT AMERICA!!
SO THAT IN THE FUTURE OUR CHILDREN WILL NEVER HAVE TO CLOSE THEIR BLINDS...." -
frankiespeakin
Carla,
I have to say I think that "Lesson to the son is all made up, not even real. I bet that this is just another indoctrinating tool, the analogys in this story are total Hoaky ,,,at best,, I can't beleive you fell for it it,, this smells like so much "prejudice filled balonie", it automacticly makes those on the other side against the US as guilty as charged, when such is just BS. Ask yourself this can the Government of the USA ever make mistakes? Or are they always the Good Guy.
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frankiespeakin
Ado,
magine sitting on a hill top overlooking a small village filled with innocent, unarmed families. A group of men appraoch carrying machete's and have made it clear they are about to slaughter the entire population of the village (they have just done the same thing in a neighbouring village). Your life is in no danger whatsoever, but you are sat behind a machine gun and can kill the attackers as they approach the village, thus saving the lives of hundreds of people. Someone from your government tells you to open fire and kill the attackers.....would you do it? I definitely would, and I think it would take a pretty immoral person to sit back and watch the slaughter and do nothing
Yeah but when does it happen like that in the US Army or marines, that they have been used in that? What do you think the % would be?
I'm sure they have helped some, and hurt more and some I'm sure are not too blind to see the truth, and don't be afriad,, I bet quite of few of these young men have started to question themselves and what they are doing.
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frankiespeakin
I'm sure there are a lot of service men that know, and think about how they would feel, if the shoe was on the other foot, that they would look at it from the people of the lands point of view,,that they have invaded, and are doing the best that they can with a such tuff situation, my heart goes out to them, and hope that maybe a general or two is like that. One can only hope.
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frankiespeakin
It would be nice if the army and marines had some of thier generals smart enough figure out ways to minimize the bad moves and directives of the whitehouse so as to not inflict any more harm, common there has got to be some of that going on, to what extent I don't know.
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It would be nice if the army and marines had some of thier generals smart enough figure out ways to minimize the bad moves and directives of the whitehouse so as to not inflict any more harm, common there has got to be some of that going on, to what extent I don't know
That is all they have been doing from the beginning Frankie.
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frankiespeakin
O and I just would like to add that I hope the soldiers get back to the states soon, I would love to see this president empeached, and both houses take stronger measures to get these guy back soon. And that the US give money for jobs of the Iraqi people and kick these american corparation out and give money to the people to rebuild not these carpetbaggers.
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Does that mean that you will be voting this upcoming election?