Elders ARE idiots!!

by Gill 75 Replies latest jw experiences

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  RedPill2006

  Being a double agent takes balls and a lot of patience!

  Double agent here! And yes, it takes cajones to do that.....it is strenous and hitting my emotional health....

  I agree wholehearthly with Snakes and Flipper. Both Spot-on and in the know. I feel ashamed to mention the amount of JC I've had to participate and shudder to think about the results of the decisions that where taken....

  I was the one that had to "force" others on the JC to "take it easy".......it gets very, very stressful and got me many sleepless nights, thinking about the "poor bastard" that had to loose his/her dignity in front of a JC......I once told another elder (of the liberal sort, like us here) that I would rather sit in front of a Catholic priest and confess than sit in a JC myself....it has at least more dignity to sit in a quiet, dark booth, pouring your heart than the court thing......(as a side note: I feel liberated, refreshed and free since I completely dismissed the idea of "sin", "confession" - specially to other humans and other rubbish like that.......but that is another thread). Yes, like Snakes said: I would confess sh%$# to a JC.

  Anyway, what can I do? Fading and doing the double agent thing is difficult (specially because of family).....but at the same time, I am in a position that allows me "to pay back" and conduct some kind of "guerrilla warfare" of some sort.......(I am well respected), so I let people slip through (that confess some sort of sin, NO JC for them if they come to me FIRST), or I have "lost" JC papers (never sent them) and all sorts of things that I can't discuss publicly, since that would give away too many of the "nice tricks" I have up my sleeve and where I will NEVER get caught.......fun, fun, fun.

  I'm sorry for being in this position and sorry if I hurt somebody in the past. I don't know how long I will be able to play "cat and mouse" tricks with the borg........but will use my "time wisely" (hate that expression) being in the position I still have......

  RedPill.
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  Gill

  RedPill - Use your power wisely. Hang on to your paper work carefully. Glad to hear you're being so merciful.

  Justice without Mercy just isn't Justice!
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  XBEHERE

  I agree with you, most are idiots and the ones that realize this the most are other elders. Once you get appointed its like..."thats how things are decided???!!?" "these guys don't know their ass from a hole in the ground!!!"

  Then you have 2 choices: try to change things to no avail by trying to be christlike and kind or become like the rest of them and be WTdisciples. If you choose to try to change things its only a matter of time before you are deleted or you step aside and end up here.
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  jgnat

  Not all elders are idiots. Not all elders are unkind. After all, Blondie's husband was an elder, and is a fine man to boot. Of course, he's no longer an elder.

  Snakes: I pass his workplace on a regular basis...see his truck parked out front... daydream about blowing it up and blaming it on an "industrial accident"...

  A friend pointed out that much can be done with a bottle of crazy glue...

  If I were an elder, I'd be very worried about the culpability the society tries to dump on me. What's with reading a letter and immediately destroying it? No trail back to headquarters? You know what that means, don't you? Do elders carry clergy insurance? They should!
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  Gill

  Jgnat - You make a good point that not all elders are unkind, as I also said at the beginning BUT all elders carry out the instructions of the WTBTS otherwise they do NOT remain elders for long. Blondies husband is no longer an Elder in the WT society. If he would explain why we would probably find it is because his own nature would not allow him to behave in such an unkind way as to give out WT instruction to people and furthur mess up their lives. He knows what the WT society is now.

  I'm sure that all the Elders on this board who stopped being Elders could no longer carry out the instructions of the WTBTS.

  The undercover ones who choose to stay, for various reasons, have an unpleasant battle on their hands to a) keep their undercover position, b) stomach what they have no choice but to do, c) try to reign in those Elders who are on a power trip

  Those who remain as Elders and choose to do what the WT instructs them to do and mess with peoples lives that are also on a power trip have a lot to answer for. Their only excuse may be that they are ignorant so far of what the WTBTS really is. That is their only excuse.
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  WTWizard

  This is one reason I call them "hounders". All they know is the counsel that attending all the meetings, doing "enough" in service, and obeying all the rules will solve all your problems. What they don't say is that attending all those meetings plus service causes many problems, including much of the friction and strife that is so famous in the congregations these days.

  One lead hounder (PO) I had was envious of anything that resembled fun in my life. I saw the inside of his house once, and it was totally devoid of any entertainment system. There was no TV or audio system. Of course, there was also no computer. This a**hole would also attack those who were trying to right the congregation by slandering them and getting them into a kangaroo court judicial hearing. Only one of the other hounders (the one that was more of a friend than a hounder) was affected by this.

  Another lead hounder I had was also very against my developing any relationships that could have led to marriage or courtship. He was good at faking friendship (though, little does he know that anything he can use to tempt me back into this toxic relationship is something I can find on the Internet or that I already have). He wanted me to stick with just men. He also tried to hound me into donating and assisting for the new Kingdumb Hell when I already made up my mind that I wanted nothing to do with that. They also reduced entertainment: they cut off cable, no longer watch much TV or listen to real music, and do not (likely) have Internet (and it's not worth getting recaptured to find out for sure).

  Not that they can't change if they wanted to. Many people on this forum were once hounders, and just as bad (if not worse) than these while in the Tower. But they decided that enough is enough. Many are prominent posters on this forum. This shows that, even if one is currently a jerk and a hounder, they can (with some work and effort to do one's own thinking), they can all change. The problem is that most will not exert the needed effort. Hence, they are going to stay the a*(hole way that they are now.
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  minimus

  I'm nice (now).
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  sammielee24

  I don't believe that for a moment.

  I certainly believe that there are jerks in all walks of life, but to say that Elders are idiots and thereby imply that all elders are idiots, is not any different than sitting in a KH and listening to the speaker say that all worldlings are pigs. Period. I don't condone for a minute some of the actions some elders have taken - many because of their beliefs and some just because their belief gave them a feeling of right to abuse - but say that they are idiots is no less prejudicial than that which we've left. sammieswife.
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  ninja

  my brother in law (not a JW (left when young)...fully clued up about everything)met an elder the other day....a guy called Paul Tagg who asked my BIL if he was gonna come back to any meetings ...and my BIL said never...and spoke about the NGO stuff to Mr Tagg....he (Taggo)quickly left .....and when my BIL went to the shops ...went to his boss and said....you should watch out employing certain people ...they could cause you hassle with your tax???!!...in effect he was causing trouble for my BIL!!!!how bad is that???...Taggy if you're reading this...yer a weirdo!!!!!
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  sammielee24

  If you can explain that reasoning to me and why my mother is afraid to put heating on in her house when she is cold, because my father 'won't let her' and 'he is her head' then I'm willing to say that the sun really does shine out of the arses of Elders.

  but Gill....does this say more about the weakness of your mother in following the society or the strength of the man following the society? Which one is more wrong? If we condemn the elders, then we must condemn the followers in every congregation for without their devotion to the society and willingness to go along in some way, then there would be no congregation.

  I'm not saying anyone is right. I can't stand the WTBTS myself - but I see the major issue from orders at the top - everyone else from that point down is brainwashed - all followers. Dissolve the top and you eliminate the bottom. I fully understand the control - anyone raised in the 'truth' does, but an elder can only apply his power on someone if they allow it. If the mother is powerless to the husband/elder; the husband/elder is powerless against the PO; the PO to the CO; the CO to the GB and the GB to no -one, then how do we pick and choose who are the idiots? Elders aren't qualified to be counsellors - they're just talkers and henchmen - but just as a wife bows to the headship because she's fearful, so do many of the elders bow to the headship of the GB. After all - the GB are God. sammieswife.