by Terry 46 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
I would separate forgiveness from resentment altogether.
Why ? Since they are bond together in its global meaning as effect for a relief - when you only want to give it a precise meaning = Pardon which have more to do with to pay or not to pay a bill ... (re-think that).
Is this topic inspired by Derrida's famous interjection on the subject?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FuL6HlLSzyc
I find that man compellingly incoherent.
Slim
To "want" anybody to pay a bill is possible you just have to want it, but you can chose to help yourself in not putting too much weigh into this to keep your own balance becauseto "make sure" that he/she will pay the bill is not totally in our hands unless we feel to hurt on purpose (as a revange - and we can die before ... so it looks like vanity - something vain).
If it is only to keep something against someone who hurted us and who maybe don't even care about us ...Where does this leads ? Is there any benefit ? ... It's all about that - we can destroy our positive energy in holding something against someone - when he/she maybe don't even think about us the way we would like to, weither we forgive or not (this too do not depends on us)
Forgiveness does no mean forget either : experience / human justice if possible as a charitable act to protect others / ...) ... Forgiveness is a personnal mean to get read of unuseful to auto-destructive bad feelings.
No, it was inspired by:
Which may have been inspired by:
Pardon which have more to do with to pay or not to pay a bill ... (re-think that).
Good choice. Who pays the bill when damage is done? The one responsible for the damage, or; an innocent victim?
To forgive is to let the one destroying get off without paying their bill.
How is this Justice?
At then end of an American president's term of office a strange thing happens. There are a flurry of requests for Presidental Pardon. The ones granted almost invariably have political and monetary significance in a cynical way. A disgusting quid pro quo ensues. Money changes hands, favors are promised and a crook goes free!
In the recent Scooter Libby case you have an excellent example of this. The Vice-President's man is convicted of a crime he was clearly guilty of. Yet, the President of the United States pardons him for personal political reasons. This self-same president Bush refused to pardon a born-again christian woman on Death Row in Texas (Karla Fay Tucker).
The quality of mercy is hardly the issue; it is one of Justice.
Forgiveness is a personnal mean to get read of unuseful to auto-destructive bad feelings.
You left out the most important part of forgiveness: the guilty party get's off freewithout paying!
You can't have one without the other.
Jesus is a rich kid whose dad is a multibillionaire entrepreneur.
Terry,
According to the Watchtowers view of Jesus I couldn't agree more. But the Watchtowers view isn't everybody's view.
When your theology recognizes Christ not as an all powerful created being but instead as God who became man, the perception changes.
When your theology recognizes Christ not as an all powerful created being but instead as God who became man, the perception changes.
What exactly does this process mean in actuality? Have you thought it through?
A transcendant being resides as a glob of cellular matter in a woman's body for nine months stitching together a human without the DNA of a male human being. The Supreme Being is squeezed out of the vaginal canal of his host/mother and has to poop and piss on himself for a couple of years. What is wrong with this picture?
The consciousness of the fetus would be what, then? Was it a human consciousness or a Supreme Being's? The infant God wallowing in fecal matter was thinking what? How does this fit into YOUR theology?
Not only is it silly; it is just plain crude and bizarre!
Adam had no mother. Adam wasn't birthed. Adam wasn't coddled and breast fed. Why does the 2nd Adam get all the amenities of humanity and the 1st Adam is suddenly full-blown without an emotional/family core?
This is primitive thinking! Don't you understand this? The minds which made up these myths were not in the least thinking through the implications in the Axial age.
All the Trinities in all the screwball religions around the Earth share a common element: they make no sense but to glorify the ability of imagination to give rise to a Chimera!
In biological research, chimeras are artificially produced by physically mixing cells from two different organisms. Chimeras are not hybrids, which form from the fusion of gametes from two species (such as a donkey and a horse) that form a single zygote that will develop as much as it can "Chimera" is a broad term and is often applied to many different types of mixing of cells from two different species.
Some chimeras can result in the eventual development of an adult animal composed of cells from both donors, which may be of different species
Terry:
I would separate forgiveness from resentment altogether.
For one's own sake it is better to measure how much liklihood there is of taking action to bring a criminal or offender to just desserts. If it is impossible; let go of the rage and move on. However, forgiveness is not necessary to do that. You do as much as you can feasibly do to close the circle of justice. Beyond that you cannot do anything.
To forgive is to PARDON. In other words, when you forgive you let the offender off Scot Free!
for·give 
/ f?r'g?v / Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation [ fer-giv ] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -gave, -giv·en, -giv·ing. –verb (used with object)
| 1. | to grant pardon for or remission of (an offense, debt, etc.); absolve. |
| 2. | to give up all claim on account of; remit (a debt, obligation, etc.). |
| 3. | to grant pardon to (a person). |
| 4. | to cease to feel resentment against: to forgive one's enemies. |
| 5. | to cancel an indebtedness or liability of: to forgive the interest owed on a loan. |
–verb (used without object)
| 6. | to pardon an offense or an offender. |
Ceasing resentment is an essential part of forgiveness. It is an act of letting your own mind and body off "scot free". That you no-longer may pay the heavy price of the past that eats away at you.
It is often our bitterness that reinforces a sense of separation from others that opens the door to crime and man's inhumanity to man. If we were all to cease resentment it would pretty much put an end to the vicious circle of crime and punishment. If anything this gets to the very root of the problem.
That you want to leave this out of the equation, Terry, it's little wonder it makes no sense.
j
Did jt just bring it?
