Forgive people if you want to.
Don't forgive them if you don't want to.
Your choice.
Warlock
DOES FORGIVENESS MAKE ANY SENSE?
by Terry 46 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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RAF
You left out the most important part of forgiveness: the guilty party get's off freewithout paying!
You can't have one without the other.
Again you mixe 2 kinds of forgiveness - I don't care the second one I have no real control over it (to make anybody to pay anything). But I have the control of myself in using the kind of forgiveness that we are talking about (but if you mixe both you're not going anywhere or you stick on THEY HAVE TO PAY ... yeah I agree ... but not sur it helps to get a guilty one in jail for instance).
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RAF
The minds which made up these myths were not in the least thinking through the implications in the Axial age.
also here I guess there is a confusion in between myths and images/symbolisms ... Maybe you think that everything should have been written in scientific termes and explanations not provable at there period of time means = for us, before us - they jailed and killed a few scientists because of that ... how would they have deal with the book (it had to be spread ... LOL).
So images and symbolisms can make it all (it's a conceptual idea - you don't really have to bother about the details) and if you do have to deal with details it's better to stay realistic than wanting the image to be exactly what it pictured (if you do not have the symbolic approach)
Creating Eve out a one of Adams bone - is quiet symbolic for instance ... Now of course you can think that it have something to do with DNA ... but truly I guess it's better to stay simple ... the men would need women as a part of themself and vice and versa (the rib is realed to the skeleton structure) 2 in 1 or 1 in 2 to do what they have to do together (Same for what is God regarding to Christ) the only difference is that human beings do have different spirits (so they have to agree to be fine together).
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sammielee24
Forgiveness is a personnal mean to get read of unuseful to auto-destructive bad feelings.
But it is not necessary as a tool for all people to use.
In the justice system, reparation can be payment for a crime without forgiveness. A jury or a judge cannot enact forgiveness, a society cannot really even enact forgiveness, but each can demand reparation. It is perhaps the duty of a society or jury to apply justice by means of reparation in some way - imprisonment, humility, financially - but it is not the duty of society to determine forgiveness. I do not see forgiveness as being necessary to apply justice to someone. sammieswife.
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Twitch
A grudge is a heavy thing. Forgiveness lightens the load.
That being said, though I have forgiven people who've done me wrong, I wouldn't allow some back into my life. And I'm ok with that.
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RAF
Forgiveness is a personnal mean to get read of unuseful to auto-destructive bad feelings.
But it is not necessary as a tool for all people to use.
In the justice system, reparation can be payment for a crime without forgiveness. A jury or a judge cannot enact forgiveness, a society cannot really even enact forgiveness, but each can demand reparation. It is perhaps the duty of a society or jury to apply justice by means of reparation in some way - imprisonment, humility, financially - but it is not the duty of society to determine forgiveness. I do not see forgiveness as being necessary to apply justice to someone. sammieswife.
Who said that it is necessary (as if you have to absolutely) ? Who said it's the duty of society to determine forgiveness (as if it was a law) ?... It's a personnal choice/tool for our own relief (you chose to, nobody can help you about that) ... Also to forgive do not imply no justice ... if for instance somebody have to go to jail it is not because you forgive that he does not have to go to jail (again there is a mixe here in between to forgive and to have somebody to pay a bill). Also it is not because you forgive a so called friend who hurted you for instance, that he/she can be your friend again (you choose - regarding to what it is all about).
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SPAZnik
I've enjoyed this topic, Terry. Great mind candy all week long, though I haven't had time to reply at length. Here are a couple of tidbits that have stuck with me
Forgiveness can be a tool...or a weapon.
Forgiveness doesn't come in a one size fits all dose or use.
Forgiveness alone doesn't solve everything.
There's so much more I could share from my perspective on this topic, but I don't have enough time to piece it together in a very palatable manner right now and I fear having to be forgiven, yet again, for existing with my style of expression.
I'm tired of being "forgiven".
The less I say, the less I have to be forgiven!!
It's a weighty debt (if you ask most anyone given to forgiving often).