ETERNITY BEFORE CREATION.....THE NON-EXISTENCE.....of GOD!

by Terry 92 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Terry

  --if you dont find it remarkable that reality is capable of dreaming-- being conscious

  then you are not thinking.

  It is with the mind that one dreams. I'd hardly call the mind "reality" in toto. It is a state which varies from millisecond to millisecond. To be useful the mind must also, recursively, have an observer to monitor and make judgements about the contents of the state.

  A dream is insubstantial and without single context. Being conscious of dreaming pretty much offers proof of the insubstantiality.
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  Awakened07

  I think we're starting to talk about the properties of God. If God exists in a place outside of time, or somewhere time doesn't exist, then He cannot think in the same way we do, and He cannot move through any dimension the way we do. If He has thoughts in the same manner we do using a language, then one could measure the time between each word and between each sentence. If He moves within dimensions like we do, His every movement could be related to each other and you'd have time.

  And that's fine with me. But then we'd have to wonder why it is said that He created us in His image, if we are so different in these very basic areas of existence?

  And again; if He exists in a place with time(and He's eternal), then we're back to Him being inactive for all eternity before creating anything. Which again doesn't make sense. Full circle?
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  changeling

  Terry: That was the best! Very logical and to the point. Loved it!

  changeling
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  gumby

  You are the reason, dear gumball, that I changed my avatar in the first place!

  LMAO!

  Do you mean to tell me that I actually "broke" the Great and Powerful Terry?

  *pats self on the back*

  Btw, great thread old man, your the bestest at keeping the minds of others working and looking at things from perspectives other than the norm.........something everyone needs

  Gumby
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  the dreamer dreaming

  the question was, apparently about what GOD did prior to creation...when did reality wake up... become conscious?

  that is the first moment that time could have any meaning, no?

  I am reality dreaming about myself... what was I before that? still reality...but I cannot tell you what I was doing because I have no conscious recollection of it.

  that does not make me less GOD-- The Generator Of Dreams. (^_^)
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  Open mind

  My head hurts.

  THANKS TERRY!!
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  Pubsinger

  The whole of this thread is built around the premise of "BEFORE"

  You don't say, however, what the object of the premise is. Without the object of the premise the word "before" is meaningless. Before CREATION.

  A Creator who has not created is a what? That is my focus; Deconstructing the God idea.

  You are interchanging the terms Creator and God. That would be ok but surely we're talking conceptually here and not in relation to, as you put it

  an umblical attachment to a largely semitic hodgepodge called the bible.

  Conceptually we're are discussing the possibility of an ETERNAL BEING.

  If the ETERNAL BEING hadn't (yet) created that doesn't mean he wouldn't/couldn't exist

  Eternal self-sufficiency?
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  sinis

  Time is circular, not linear. It is only linear in an infinitely small context point, in which a tangent can be drawn between two points. So, there is no beginning or an end, just a recycling of events along the circular path.
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  journey-on

  What an interesting thread. I’ve read every one of the replies to Terry’s post, and can’t help but be amazed at all of you. Everyone that posted IMO has valid points and your intelligence just blows me away. No wonder the WTB&TS couldn’t contain you!!

  I think Terry thinks most people who believe in God are looking at Him as some all-powerful "man in the sky with supernatural abilities" that takes notice of each and every good deed and transgression individuals perform. I, for one, do not look at God (for lack of a better word) this way. I look at Him as an Intelligent Force unseen but made manifest incrementally through the creation of matter.

  If you keep this in mind: As above, so below. The microcosm and macrocosm are one. Each one is made in the image of God….we can learn everything eventually. The journey has just begun for mankind.

  We are evolving toward a higher "knowledge" and this is proven by those who are diligently searching for meaning outside the small gods of religion, but have not forsaken the knowing that man was created in the image of God.

  The problem is that, like Terry, many have thrown the baby out with the bath water.

  Getting back to the microcosm/macrocosm thinking

  : Before you create that beautiful piece of jewelry, the creative energies flow…they move in your mind and if you are truly gifted, they move in your soul and spirit (the depths of your being.) You "create" the piece in THAT realm before it is made manifest in the realm of matter. Once you create the ideal in your "mind", you plan it out, figure its dimensions, draw it, etc. Then when all of that is fully set, you actualize it. Voila! A beautiful piece of jewelry has been created….not by waving a magic wand, but through creative ability, desire, will, effort, then manifestation.

  What amazes me with people like Terry is that they really cannot comprehend a realm without matter. Existence has to be touched, tasted, smelled, etc. or it can’t exist. We are but a speck of dust upon another speck of dust in the vast dynamic swirl of cosmic energy we call the Universe. To think that our puny little science has the answers is the ultimate arrogance! Science, however, is also evolving and together science and spirituality CAN come together and over time get closer to the answers.
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  journey-on

  Oh...and Time cannot exist without Motion.