as to where we go... in my past life regression, after being shot to death, I found myself in a realm much like this one, purposefully designed to help the newly dead adjust and prepare for their re-entry back to this place... both places were mental inventions, stablized by many minds keeping the data intact. a single mind usually does not have the ability to keep the data stable and thus personal dreams are always shifting while shared worlds are not so flimsy. the matter that SEEMS real to you know is really all within your mind and I defy anyone to prove otherwise, because it cannot be done... you have never known nor will ever know anything but the contents of your own mind... so this shared DREAM world is the only world you have ever known and when you seem to die here, you join another shared dream world and either move on or return here, but you never will experience any world which is not your own minds invention. you have NEVER known a moment when you did not exist and you never will... not remembering that you existed is not the same as not existing as most of us dont remember existing while we sleep... but no matter when you wake up you are coming from either a dream or a stream of thoughts which are in motion...just quickly forgotten at times.
Where Do We Really Go When We Die ?
by flipper 71 Replies latest jw friends
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blueviceroy
"We" dont really exist at all "we" are just a vehicle for the great conciousness that is the universe "We" allow it to express itself and at some point undrstand itself. "We" have always been and will continue to be . "We" don't go anywhere because "we" are always here. our information we be retained at same level although our sense of self will not be signifcant enough to be measurable against the everything we return to as the vehicle wears out. "We" will be who we are plus everthing else too "we" will be home again.
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flipper
DREAMER DREAMING- I just have one question. At what time period in history were you shot and killed? Just curious. I do agree that when we sleep we are unaware of anything, just dreams in an unconsious state. I stiil feel though, that when I'm dead, I'm dead. Nothing there.
BLUEVICEROY- I might have always existed, like you say, but I sure as hell wasn't aware of it before October 15th, 1959. At least, not to my knowledge
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Satanus
Flipper
What do you remember about October 15th, 1959? What are your earliest memories? What does that prove?
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flipper
SATANUS- It was the day I was born . Came gurgling out of my momma's tummy
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Satanus
Yes but, do you remember being born? Do you remember being in the womb? How old were you when you started to remember? The fact that very few people have memories of preexisting this life is used to argue that they didn't exist then. It seems to me that not having memories isn't totally solid proof.
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IP_SEC
dreamer dreaming.
You are wrong. First off, no, a computer cannot YET experience life at a human level. But great advances have been made in AI and there are great advances still to be made. It is a myth that AI is dead or never took off.
Second, the brain is a very complex analog/digital hybrid computer. It is that combination that makes pattern recognition at a human level possible. The trillions of connections in the brain would not even be necessary in an electronic digital/anolog hybrid computer. The human brain is very very slow compared to electronic computers. It just has so many more connections than current processors that it can work faster at pattern recognition. Pattern recognition is intelligence. Pattern recognition is consciousness.
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Mary
Just to add my two cents: I think that we go on after we leave this world. My feeling for this is probably a combination of things: several scriptures in the bible that speak of an afterlife, the fact that virtually every religion is based on the idea of some sort of afterlife, listening to some experiences by people I know, and reading about Near Death Experiences that millions of people have had.
This is not unequivical proof------It's just my personal belief. In reality, I don't care if there's an afterlife or a future physical resurrection----one or the other is fine by me.
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flipper
SATANUS- O.K. You win. I don't remember gurgling my way at birth. But I do remember events at 3 years of age. Everybody has their takes. It's just hard for me to believe I exsisted before I was conceived in the womb. I respect that you feel you exsisted before though. We are all different.
IP-SEC- You go guy! I know that my mind is definitely not as fast as a computer!
MARY- I could go their too Mary on a afterlife. I'm just not sure. I feel it is a for sure possibility, an afterlife. But, I just don't know. I respect you and a lot of people believe it though. I hope you are right, that there is an afterlife. I'd love to keep going on so I can fly around in an afterlife and sneek in and listen to governing body meetings incognito, invisible. Play pranks on them! LOL! Peace to ya Mary, hope dad is doing better ! MR. Flipper
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journey-on
I think it's possible that when you draw your first breath you receive your "program". I won't elaborate, but just thought
I would throw a part of what I currently believe out there.