We're all connected- Spiritual Atheism

by nvrgnbk 54 Replies latest jw friends

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    In the end, science as we know it has two basic types of practitioners. One is the educated man who still has a controlled sense of wonder before the universal mystery, whether it hides in a snail's eye or within the light that impinges on that delicate organ. The second kind of observer is the extreme reductionist who is so busy stripping things apart that the tremendous mystery has been reduced to a trifle, to intangibles not worth troubling one's head about.--Loren Eiseley ("Science and the Sense of the Holy" The Star Trowner)

    The search for meaning is not limited to science: it is constant and continuous--all of us engage in it during all our waking hours the search continues even in our dreams. There are many ways of finding meaning, and there are no absolute boundaries separating them. One can find meaning in poetry as well as in science in the contemplations of a flower as well as in the grasp of an equation. We can be filled with wonder as we stand under the majestic dome of the night sky and see the myriad lights that twinkle and shine in its seemingly infinite depths. We can also be filled wit awe as we behold the meaning of the formulae that define the propagation of light in space, the formation of galaxies, the synthesis of chemical elements, and the relation of energy, mass and velocity in the physical universe. The mystical perception of oneness and the religious intuition of a Divine intelligence are as much a construction of meaning as the postulation of the universal law of gravitation.--Ervin Laszlo

  • watson
    watson

    Shrooms?

  • Vinny
    Vinny

    Nvr says:..."We lack belief in God or unique personalized deities because they are not observed, they exist only in books and oral traditions."







  • jaguarbass
    jaguarbass

    nvrgbk. Spiritual atheist is not a bad label.

    For the rest of this trip, I'm going with observer. I hope I come back smarter and wiser and born in better circumstances.

    All this character I've developed is burdonsome.

  • R.Crusoe
    R.Crusoe

    I love the idea of 'wholistic ethics' and its link in your post. It is a dream that I should be with a person who feels that way and we could enhance each others auras. Alas maybe it is too aspirational and will never be realized?

  • Awakened07
    Awakened07

    Hmm.... "Spirituality". *tastes the word, rolls it around his tongue*

    I did a quick Google, and came up with these (among other) definitions:

  • concerned with or affecting the spirit or soul; "a spiritual approach to life"; "spiritual fulfillment"; "spiritual values"; "unearthly love"
  • lacking material body or form or substance; "spiritual beings"; "the vital transcendental soul belonging to the spiritual realm"-Lewis Mumford
  • From those definitions alone, 'spirituality' seems misplaced alongside 'atheism'. But notice this from the first definition, that if we remove "spiritual" from the quote, we still have "life", "fulfillment", "values", and "love".

    Are we all connected? Yes, on the material, natural plane. "What's the harm in just little ol' me polluting? How can I cause any harm to the environment?" - - - "So what if I choose to be callous and cold toward those who could need my help? What difference would little ol' me make?"

    The answer to both (is so obvious that I shouldn't need to type it, but to avoid misunderstandings) is of course that our actions affect others locally, and the people we affect (in addition to being hurt by it) may follow our 'example' and overall it will have a negative effect globally (and/or the environment).

    We are also connected in the positive sense that we communicate and share ideas, art, music, poetry, philosophy, etc., which "evolve" and mature and benefit large amounts of the population (or can benefit it) and not just ourselves. And by leading by example, we may influence others who influence others who influence others into taking care of the environment and other people.

    So yes - we are connected.

    Other than that though...?

    I think "spiritual atheism" would be the same as "spiritual theism", without the supernatural. So - no Gods, angels, spirits, souls, etc., but even so love, music, art, poetry, philosophy, values, admiration of nature, happiness of being alive... any other thing you can think of after you remove the supernatural from the concept.

    Is this along the lines of what you're thinking, nvr?

  • 5go
    5go

    I would prefer a word other than God. It's been used.

    I prefer highly evolved being, or extra dimensional being. Though a god, or godess would still apply in a sence to the lay people that can't under stand what those are.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    This connection is below the ego and the mind. Carl jung had something along this line. He called it the collective unconscious, or the objective psyche. "it is common to everyone; and it has a better sense of the self's ideal than the ego or conscious self does. It thus directs the self, via archetypes, dreams, and intuition, and drives the person to make mistakes on purpose." Meditation can make a person become aware of it, learn how to listen to it, and not fight it as much.

    S

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    Spiritual Atheism and the False Comforts of Faith

    David Gleeson August 15, 2006

    Many religious faiths, including the big three Abrahamic faiths, teach that humans are central to the universe and God’s Plan. It is indoctrinated in us from childhood, so much so that it becomes a mantra: we are special; we are unique; we are created in God’s image; the universe exists solely for us. How can naturalism, with no guarantee of eternal life and no preferred position at the right hand of God, possibly compete with its ego-massaging and death-defying religious counterparts?

    I believe the answer lies, at least in part, in a sadly unexplored arena: the ability of atheism (scientific naturalism) to be spiritually uplifting. Not "spiritual" in the sense of a religious spirit or soul, but rather in our innate ability to be awed or inspired. I can't speak for the religious, but I cannot imagine anyone feeling a greater sense of the spiritual than I do when I look up at a starry sky on a cloudless night. I've said it before and I'll continue saying it: There is more awe and wonder in one chapter of an introductory astronomy book than in any ten Bibles. No one, though, as far as I am aware, has ever adequately demonstrated in the mainstream that it is possible to live a spiritual, meaningful existence without a belief in God.

    Touting the spiritual appeal of atheism in a predominantly evangelical Christian country like the United States may seem to be, at first glance, the worst type of self-delusional folly. Depending on how the question is worded, anywhere from 90 to 95% of Americans claim to believe in “God”. During the 2000 presidential campaign, when Al Gore nominated Joseph Lieberman, and Orthodox Jew, as his running mate, Americans were asked if they would vote for a qualified Jewish president. Over 90% of respondents said “Yes.” In the same poll, only 49% claimed they would support an atheist for president. While Jews can take heart in these numbers, atheists and humanists can only shake their heads in astonishment. When half of Americans still equate godless with immoral, there is clearly a massive amount of work to be done.

    But there are signs that a properly understood spiritual atheism would appeal to a much larger percentage of Americans. Only 45% of Americans claim to attend church on a regular basis, while 40% say they “seldom or never” do so. When asked if they’ve attended church or synagogue in the last week, roughly 60% say "No." The same number say that religion as a whole is losing its influence on American life. Clearly, it is not biblical dogma and fire-and-brimstone sermons that hold sway over most individuals; rather, it is religion’s ability to inspire, to comfort, to reassure, and to create a sense of self and community. Ironically, though, scientific naturalism offers a spiritual well that's far deeper than anything so far tapped by the religious. In Pale Blue Dot, Carl Sagan’s eloquent and fascinating look at the future of human space flight, he questions organized religion’s reluctance to mine this huge potential source of spiritual fulfillment:

    In some respects, science has far surpassed religion in delivering awe. How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, “This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant. God must be even greater than we dreamed”? Instead they say, “No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.” A religion, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths. Sooner or later, such a religion will emerge.

    I doubt any religion, per se, will ever take up Mr. Sagan’s challenge, and so it is incumbent upon atheists and humanists to lead the way. There are wonders enough in the universe without our having to invent any.

    Whatever form this spiritual defense of naturalism takes, it must be unabashedly passionate about science and the scientific method of inquiry. With this must come a fervent skepticism of all things supernatural and a complete rejection of the concept of faith. Faith is the last recourse of the intellectually defeated. When you invoke faith, you admit your belief cannot stand on its own merit, for if the evidence compelled you to believe it, faith would be superfluous. The faith that allows you to believe in a personal, all-merciful God allows your next-door neighbor to believe an invisible dragon is living in his basement, or the fanatic on the bus next to you to believe that a martyr’s death (spectacularly accomplished by blowing himself, and you, to pieces) will send him straight to heaven and into the waiting arms of 72 sex-starved virgins. Either way, you’ve entered the realm of irrationality and, in many cases, severe mental illness. Faith and reason (and, by extension, religion and science) are as incompatible as trust and jealousy or joy and sadness, and it’s high time people of intellect stopped according them equal respect.

    The events of 9/11 caused many people to reevaluate their faith and their concept of a personal God, though it seems clear no one is exactly beating down the doors to atheism because of this self-imposed introspection. The primary reason, in my mind, is that most theists are under the impression that atheism is an immoral doctrine that robs life of its meaning and purpose. Hopefully, someone will take up the challenge and eloquently refute this belief. In the meantime, it is my fervent hope that our children’s children inherent a world free from superstition, fear, guilt, arrogance and sin, and that we all learn to embrace a new, spiritual atheism that espouses love and tolerance toward each other, and awe and humility in the face of an endlessly wondrous, but godless, universe.

  • V
    V

    The original "Spiritual Athiest:"

    Believe nothing, o monks, merely because you have been told it ... or because it is traditional, or because you yourselves have imagined it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher.

    But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.

    - Gautama Buddha

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