Anyone else here with ADD/ADHD?

by proplog2 67 Replies latest jw friends

  • Armageddon Dad
    Armageddon Dad

    I totally agree with tinkers post.

    I hope the semantics of my post wasn't misinterpreted tinkers.

    What I am trying to say is, the Jws mother and stepfather where labelling my son due to their own shortsightedness and applying guilt on my son along with the cronies in the KH.

    Whereas me, having already read up on proper medical information along with a specialist got to the bottom of these so called "behavoiral problems" which was only being reported by the stepfather, mother and not me or the school. Incidently the Jws where also actualy trying to blame me for these problems by allowing my son to do fun stuff at my house which was prohibited at there house.

  • FreedomFrog
    FreedomFrog
    I think ADD is just for parents who do not know how to deal with high energy intelligent children! No offense of course.

    I don't agree with this statement because my son (9 years old) was just diagnosed with ADD after every exhausted effort to help him. He doesn't have the "high energy" like some may think with ADD. That, actually is with AD*H*D individuals. In fact, I fought the doctors that wanted to label him with ADD just because I didn't want my son to be labeled that. I even took him to an eye doctor thinking it was his eyes. I even took him to therapy and everything to avoid it.

    What we went through before I finally broke down and had him tested was basically pulling teeth to get my son to do his homework last year. He was pulling chunks of hair out of him and jabbing his pencil in his leg. Even though talking to him asking him what was going on, he'd keep saying...."Mom, I'm mad at myself because I CAN'T focus". or..."mom, I WANT to get my homework done but I can't concentrated". Even after trying to get him situated so he can better focus, this wasn't enough.

    We had him tested and now he's on Stra? something during school and off it on vacations. We have seen a night and day difference. He's now getting straight A's and is getting his homework finished 1/2 hour -hour after he gets home from school, and that's without me asking him to do it.

    Believe me, him being diagnosed with ADD was the last thing I wanted but it is what it is. I am not a big pill pusher....lol

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Just my opinion but I don't believe that the number of children or adults diagnosed with this are accurate. I think that there are a lot of factors involved including the amount of money made by treating kids - all the way from a social worker, a doctor and the drug company. In reading various health studies over the years, I always found it interesting that 'attention deficit' or in other words - a kid who can't sit still, who fidgets, who talks more than is liked or just bored quickly - is now diagnosed with a 'disease' that usually requires drugs - drugs that long term can leave the kid without any coping skills since he/she is led to believe that they need the drugs they've taken for years in order to make it through life.

    I have 2 nephews both diagnosed with ADHD. One of them was zombied out by drugs - this made the school happy because he sat still for them. This made my sister very uneasy. She took him off the stuff and refused to put him back on it. He turned out fine. The other nephew was put on ritalin when he was about 7 - his school had a lunch room nurse that doled out the drugs for the 24 kids in school who were also taking the drug - and he stayed on it until his late teens. That kid is a mess. He stopped taking the drug and switched to alcohol to get by. My sister insists that if he takes his 'meds' he would be fine - I don't see the 'meds' as the answer but as the crutch. Drugs without behaviour modification will do nothing.

    The most popular stimulant drugs used for "ADHD"—Ritalin (methylphenidate) and dexamphetamine—are pharmacologically similar to cocaine. Just like cocaine, these drugs have significant effects. They cause children to become more docile and more compliant. This is true of all children, as any remnant of the myth that only "ADHD" children react this way has long since been dispelled. "Indeed, stimulant medications have been shown to have similar types of effects in children with diagnosed ADHD and individuals regarded as normal controls (Peloquin and Klorman, 1986; Rapoport, Buchsbaum and Monte, 1980; Rapoport, Buchsbaum and Zahn, 1978). These results emphasise that the diagnosis of ADHD cannot be determined by a positive response to medication."6

    Drugged children become more docile and compliant and get into "less trouble", thus pleasing parents and teachers. But at what cost? Occasionally the child pays the ultimate cost:
    "Stephanie Hall, of Canton, Ohio, believed ADHD was a disease. She took her Ritalin, religiously. Her parents, Mike and Janet Hall, believed it too. Stephanie Hall died in her sleep, 6 days before her 12th birthday, not from ADHD—because there is no such thing—but from Ritalin, because Ritalin is an amphetamine and because amphetamines have a long history of causing sudden cardiac deaths, even in the young."7
    "Death caused from long-term use of methylphenidate (Ritalin): Death certificate of 14 y/o Matthew Smith, 21/03/01, Oakland County, Michigan."8

    We have a society in which we seem to have shifted far off balance. Too many chemicals in food. Too many junk foods ie processed foods. We put floride in our water and we use teflon coated pans. We spray junk in the air and inhale it. We send our kids to school but don't let them play in the schoolyard. We tell them not to run but only walk. We stop phys ed in the school and hand the kids a gameboy instead of a pair of skates. We encourage them to stay inside where we can see them and make us feel safer rather than let them run off steam and build forts and pretend they are knights wearing armour. We give them cars at 16 so they don't have to walk to school. We expect our little ones to look and act like adults - no baby talk, no screaming, no fussing, no running. We want to be our kids friends instead of their parents and the lines between the two are confused more than ever by the way we dress and our penchant for plastic surgery to remain youthful. We have changed so much as a society that we forget that growing up, many of us were surround by the kids who always seemed to get into trouble - but we understood that it was 'just them'..being themselves. We didn't label them. We went to school with them, we played with them, we sometimes got into mischief with them but we all made it through as best we could in the end. Life isn't perfect and neither are all the people in it.

    Sorry for the rant - it's all just my opinion and if any person believes that the cure they are taking or their family is taking works for them, then I can't argue with that. It's just the way I feel.

    The "validity" of a diagnosis refers to the extent to which it describes something that is real and can be proved. "Despite millions of dollars spent on research over the past twenty years, much of it subsidised by hopeful drug companies, no one has yet been able to identify this 'disease' called ADHD."36
    Incredibly, there are many highly respected professionals in various fields who publicly acknowledge that there is no proof of the existence of ADHD. Consider the following...
    • Psychology professor Diane McGuinness, PhD: "Methodologically rigorous research indicates that ADHD and hyperactivity as 'syndromes' simply do not exist."37
    • Neurologist Fred A. Baughman, MD: "We are not mis-diagnosing or over-diagnosing, mis-treating or over-treating ADHD. It has been a total, 100% fraud throughout its 35-year history."38
    • Associate Professor Robert Reid, PhD, University of Nebraska: "[T]he causes of ADHD are simply not known."39
    • The Australian National Association of Practising Psychiatrists (NAPP): "[ADHD] is not an inherited genetic disorder or organic disease" and "scientific evidence to support ADHD as a disorder is unproven".40
    • Psychiatrist Denis Donovan, MD: "ADD is a bogus diagnosis. Parents and teachers are rushing like lemmings to identify a pathology... Our current pathologizing of behavior leads to massive swelling of the ranks of the diseased, the dysfunctional, the disordered and the disabled."41
    • Physician William B. Carey, MD, of the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia: "What is now most often described as ADHD in the United States appears to be a set of normal behavioral variations. This discrepancy leaves the validity of the construct in doubt."42
    • Psychologist John Breeding, PhD: "The diagnosis of ADHD is, itself, fraudulent."43
    • Tunku Varadarajan, Wall Street Journal deputy editorial features editor: "[I]t's just as much nonsense-on-stilts as ADHD as it was pure poppycock as ADD."44
    • Author Beverly Eakman: "These drugs make children more manageable, not necessarily better. ADHD is a phenomenon, not a 'brain disease'. Because the diagnosis of ADHD is fraudulent, it doesn't matter whether a drug 'works'. Children are being forced to take a drug that is stronger than cocaine for a disease that is yet to be proven."45
    • Psychologist Richard DeGrandpre, PhD, citing a study in Pediatrics, a US medical journal, showing that 80% of children reported as hyperactive at home or school showed exemplary behaviour and no signs of hyperactivity in the physician's office: "This finding is consistent with numerous studies showing, and dozens of newspaper articles reporting, considerable disagreement among parents, teachers, and clinicians about who qualifies for a diagnosis. This can only raise questions about the existence of ADD as a real medical phenomenon since it is these symptoms alone that are the basis of the diagnosis."46
    • Psychiatrist Peter R. Breggin, MD: "It is important for the Education Committee to understand that the ADD/ADHD diagnosis was developed specifically for the purpose of justifying the use of drugs to subdue the behaviors of children in the classroom."47
    • United States Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton: "Some of these young people have problems that are symptoms of nothing more than childhood or adolescence."48
    • Psychiatrist Sidney Walker III, MD: "The medical community has elevated Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) to the status of diagnoses, and most people believe these are real diseases. They aren't, and doctors who label children ADD or ADHD don't have a clue what's really ailing them."49
    • Educator and researcher Brenton Prosser, PhD: "The dominant definition of the condition argues that it is physiologically based and is best treated with amphetamines, while there remains no biological basis for these claims."50
    • The 1998 Consensus Development Conference, held by the US National Institutes of Health, came to this conclusion: "[W]e do not have an independent, valid test for ADHD, and there are no data to indicate that ADHD is due to a brain malfunction."51

    sammieswife.

  • proplog2
    proplog2

    When I was in school 1950's & 1960's teachers were allowed to paddle the kids.

    My JW dad told my teachers that they are welcome to use me as an example if I get out of line.

    So - I got several paddle spankings in front of my grammar school classes.

    I hated it - but I think it made me develop some coping mechanisms to get around my ADD.

    I would do a little homework. Then reward myself with play time. Do a little more homework.
    Then reward myself.

    But in those days play time usually meant playing outside or listening to a radio show (didn't have TV until I was about 12).

    I don't think I would have been able to cope if I was surrounded with Cable TV, MP3's, Video Games, DVD's and the internet.

    I think the use of Ritalin for school behavior is a substitute for the paddle. I don't like either but actually think the paddle was a more realistic inducement to self-control. It was a reminder that REALITY can hurt.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24
    the number of school-age children on Ritalin today in the United States is 5,000,000. Since Ritalin represents 70% of the total prescriptions for amphetamine-type drugs, we can add the other 30% and we have well over 7,000,000 of our school children in this country on stimulant drugs. In 1971, when estimates of Ritalin prescription use was under 200,000, our country was alarmed enough that the DEA classified Ritalin and other amphetamines as Schedule II drugs, a category that indicates significant risk of abuse. The number of children on psychiatric stimulant drugs today (7,000,000) is 40 times the 1970 number (175,000). This has to be a cause for major alarm in all adults concerned for the welfare of our children. Yet even this alarming fact is not the whole picture. We are not only giving more and stronger amphetamines like Adderall and Dexedrine to our children, we are also witnessing a dramatic increase in the use of adult antidepressants with the children.

    Arianna Huffington reported 735,000 children ages 6-18 on Prozac and related anti-depressants in 1996, up 80% since 1994. This included a 400% increase in the number of children ages 6-12 on Prozac in just one year, 1995 to 1996.(4) A 1998 article by Kate Muldoon(5) reports the number as 909,000. In a more recent article, Ms. Huffington reports that, despite disturbing evidence of drug-induced manic reactions, the number of antidepressant prescriptions for children continues to soar, reaching 1,664,000 in 1998.(6)

    The bottom line is that we are giving stronger and stronger psychiatric drugs to more and more children. Many of our children are taking more than one of these drugs at a time, and many of these drugs were never even tested and approved for children. Probably over 8,000,000 school-age children in the United States are on powerful psychiatric drugs today. Other than our neighbor Canada, no other countries in the world are using psychiatric drugs this way with their children; it is a distinctly North American phenomenon.

    DEA data puts Texas at number 31 in a listing of 1998 retail distribution for methylphenidate and d-amphetamine, and number four on dl-amphetamine--so let's just say we're right in the middle, about average in this country. What does it mean that 8,000,000 children are on psychiatric drugs? U.S. census data reveals that the United States population for ages 6-18 is about 51,473,000; this would indicate that approximately 15% of our school-age children are on psychiatric drugs. Does this seem unbelievable? Two recent research articles clearly demonstrate there are communities, one in Virginia, the other in the Vancouver, Canada area, where the rates of stimulant prescriptions to children is 20%.(7) The International Narcotics Control Board reports that in some American schools, as many as 40% of children in a class are on methylphenidate.(8) A recent Time Magazine (10/25/99) article describing a week in a typical American high school, reported the estimate of the school social worker that as many as 20% of the school's students take psychiatric drugs. There are large disparities from school to school and county to county, but however you slice it, the numbers are amazingly high. Since the population of Texas is approximately 13% of the total United States population, that means about 1,000,000 of the children in our elementary and secondary schools in Texas are on psychiatric drugs.

  • tinker
    tinker

    I would agree that medication should not be the first course of action when dealing with a disorder. Many things have to be taken into consideration, physical and emotional.

    As far as medical science, with research we could find as many professional who are pro medication as we would find con. Each child must be studied on an individual basis and treated accordingly. Sending out a blanket statement that all medication is useless is just not responsible.

    I have known children who suffered with ADD to the point of self hatred. With medication they thrived and became find young adults. Low self esteem can be as detrimental as any other handycap.

    I know first hand that ADD can be inherited and is a VERY REAL disorder. Medication alone is not enough, treatment should include teaching skill that compensate for the learning disability.

    Parents must be very involved and do lots of research. In the end, if medication is called for, it can be a lifesaver.

  • SickofLies
    SickofLies

    I just want to point you that ADHD or ADD has not been proven to exist. There is no medical test for it, they diagnosis criteria is vague and the major of cases seem only to appear in the US.

    The medication for ADHD or ADD is a stimulant, I want to dispel the myth that stimulants have different effects on ADD people, this has not been proven. Anyone will have more focus and concentration while under the influence of a stimulant. This is why caffeine is so popular while studying. Ritalin is also a common drug among some college kids for helping them study.

  • FreedomFrog
    FreedomFrog
    I would agree that medication should not be the first course of action when dealing with a disorder.

    100% agree...

    Each child must be studied on an individual basis and treated accordingly. Sending out a blanket statement that all medication is useless is just not responsible.

    Also agree 100%. I exhausted all of my options because I wasn't a "meds" person...and still I'm not. In fact, I try to let my kids go without giving them meds for a fever since their bodies are trying to fight off a virus/flu and that is the purpose of a fever.

    I just want to point you that ADHD or ADD has not been proven to exist.

    I have to research on this because I am not sure if you are entirely right on this. I believe (from what I've read) is yes, there are non-stimulative drugs...meaning they don't make you more "happy" or "control you" like webster says. There wasn't much of a difference other than my son was able to focus. Again, I have to do more research before I will make it my total argument here.

    Editing to add...oops, sorry, I meant this for your comment as ADD meds being "stimulative"....

    There is no medical test for it, they diagnosis criteria is vague

    What do you mean by "medical" testing? They did several tests on my son that was very extensive in my opinion. It wasn't just "oh, he has ADD", there was a lot more to it because I basically fought it for a good while.

  • SickofLies
    SickofLies
    What do you mean by "medical" testing? They did several tests on my son that was very extensive in my opinion. It wasn't just "oh, he has ADD", there was a lot more to it because I basically fought it for a good while.

    What kind of 'tests' were preformed? The DSM does not list any tests that can be run to test for ADD, you cannot draw blood or look at someone's brain under a MRI and say, yep, there it is.

  • FreedomFrog
    FreedomFrog
    The DSM does not list any tests that can be run to test for ADD, you cannot draw blood or look at someone's brain under a MRI and say, yep, there it is.

    And it doesn't for Bi-Polar either...but yet this is a common concern for ones that have it and is quite known and recognized.

    http://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/tc/bipolar-disorder-exams-and-tests

    There are no lab tests for bipolar disorder. Instead, your doctor will ask detailed questions about your symptoms, including how long they last and how often you have them. He or she will discuss your family history and may do a mental health assessment.

    A mental health assessment tests your emotional functioning and your ability to think, reason, and remember. It includes an interview with a health professional, a physical exam, and written or verbal tests. During the interview, the health professional assesses your appearance, mood, behavior, thinking, reasoning, memory, ability to express yourself, and ability to maintain personal relationships.

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